Acoustic flooring

[bts66]

HI, hope someone can help me, i've got a job in a first floor flat and the custumer wants acoustic flooring throughout I was wondering if someone could advice me on the best flooring to get as it has to be tiled over in bath room and underfloor heating in kitchen,

Thanks
Bts

 

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[nybor62]

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There is now a wide variety of acoustic flooring available, some of which is suitable to tile onto with the proper materials, but some is totally unsuitable. Read more...
Schluter-Systems Ltd. is frequently asked if tiles can be successfully installed onto acoustic floors.

Unfortunately, there is no definitive answer. Ian Knifton, Schluter's Technical Manager, says that with appropriate tiling protection some acoustic floors will accommodate tiles, but others won't.

Q, I've been asked by a customer to tile onto an acoustic floor. How can I decide whether it's suitable to take tiles or not?

A, Installers should always seek specific advice relating to the individual application.

There is now a wide variety of acoustic flooring available, some of which is suitable to tile onto with the proper materials, but some is totally unsuitable, especially where there is rigidity and stability.

To put a rigid finish, such as tiles, over a surface that is very compressible, is asking for trouble: the grout lines would crack first, then the tiles would crack at the joints, and finally debond.

Q, What sort of installations would be suitable for tiling onto, with appropriate tiling protection?

A, At the request of installers, Schluter has carried out a number of site inspections where some acoustic flooring would take tiles with the correct protection: for instance, a chipboard floor with felt bonded to its underside acting as the acoustic barrier, batons with different types of foam, and others with acoustic matting.


Protection of tiles when laid onto acoustic flooring can be achieved by using the Schluter - DITRA uncoupling membrane.

Q, How can the tiles be protected in these cases?

A, With all these it would be possible to protect the tiles with a specialist uncoupling membrane, such as Schluter-DITRA, which allows any stresses that occur between the acoustic flooring and the tiles to be neutralized evenly.

Q, How is it installed?

A, In a nutshell, after ensuring that the substrate is even and load-bearing, the bonding adhesive is applied with a 3mm x 3mm or 4mm x 4mm notched trowel. While the type of bonding adhesive depends on the type of substrate, for most substrates a dry-set tile adhesive is suitable.

The fleece on the underside of the membrane needs to be solidly embedded into the adhesive so that its entire surface is bonded.

Work the membrane into the adhesive, in just one direction, using a float or screed trowel. The tiles can be laid on top immediately afterwards, by anchoring the adhesive into the square cavities.

The fleece is adhered to the substrate with standard adhesive. And the adhesive used to bond the tiles actually anchors into the dovetailed configuration, mechanically locking the tiles onto the top.

Any stresses that then occur between the substrate ands the tiles are evenly distributed in all directions, protecting the tiles from damage.

However, if the flooring is too compressible, the movement under the rigid tiled surface will be too much even for the uncoupling membrane to absorb.

That's why installers should always seek specific advice about each particular application.

For more information contact:
Stewart Bint
T: 01530 813396
F: 01530 813376

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[DHTiling]

Hello...:welcome:

 

[suave]

:welcome:

 

[wetdec]

HI, hope someone can help me, i've got a job in a first floor flat and the custumer wants acoustic flooring throughout I was wondering if someone could advice me on the best flooring to get as it has to be tiled over in bath room and underfloor heating in kitchen,

Thanks
Bts

Hi m8

Forget all the jargon and techi talk you have basically 3 options.

Install a dedicated system which will involve sound dampenning layers between floor boards and joists and is not a recomended base to tile as the floor is in effect floating so is probably inpractical.

Fit sound insulation/wool between the existing joists and fix sound damper to the reverse of your floor boards again the areas falling between the joists, this could be tiled as your floor will not be detratched from your joists. The main drawback with this is sound will still be transfered through the joists

Forget the sound insulstion and strengthen the floor before plying and tiling with a decoupling menbrane to counter latteral stresses.

In the real world these are your options imo as without a seperation layer between your floor and joists its difficult..

Hope this is of some help................

,

 

[Ajax123]

try Celecta or Thermal Economics - both have acoustic systems suitable for tiling onto.

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Good advise above,:welcome:

 

[wetdec]

try Celecta or Thermal Economics - both have acoustic systems suitable for tiling onto.

Really you can tile over celecta I was under the impression their board system floated, learn something new everyday............

 

[White Room]

Hi and welcome

 

[faithhealer]

welcome matey

 

[bts66]

Thanks toi everyone who got bk to me i think i will look into celecta,

Thanks again,
Bts