Adhesive under UFH update..

[JamesRB]

The thread from yesterday has dissapeared so I thought I'd just let the people who helped me out yesterday know that the customer has decided to go for the less wattage heat mat:hurray:

I spoke to Heat Mat and they said the adhesive is to isolate the mat from the ply so that it doesn't warp it, as the 200w is so powerful.

Anyway problem over,

Cheers

 

[Gazzer]

You see, sometimes the customer does listen ...Good for you James

 

[DHTiling]

they said the adhesive is to isolate the mat from the ply so that it doesn't warp it,

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ...have to remember that one....NOT...

 

[dagger]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ...have to remember that one....NOT...

what a crock!:lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[bert&ernie]

why was post removed?

 

[Colour Republic]

why was post removed?

Problem with the server I think, lost a few posts.

I met the owner of Heat Mat the other day, friend of a friend. Is this really what they are telling people!

 

[bert&ernie]

now i worked in ufh for a while and have seen a lot of different types of ufh and i can safely say that Heat mat have got to be one of the worst and they have a really big turnover of staff beacause they treat them so bad (me not included in that) I can, without doubt say that uheat are one of the best. They may not be the biggest but given time......

 

[pjrich]

The thread from yesterday has dissapeared so I thought I'd just let the people who helped me out yesterday know that the customer has decided to go for the less wattage heat mat:hurray:

I spoke to Heat Mat and they said the adhesive is to isolate the mat from the ply so that it doesn't warp it, as the 200w is so powerful.

Anyway problem over,

Cheers

Only way I know to protect ply from heating exceeding 100W/m2 is to use either a backerboard or decoupling membrane (decoupling will not be as good as backerboard but will help with movement).

Don't see how adhesive isolates ply from heating, if this was the case heat wouldn't be transmitted through the adhesive and then the tiles!!

I'd really like to know the science behind the thinking of adhesive to protect the ply!!

 

[Gazzer]

Only way I know to protect ply from heating exceeding 100W/m2 is to use either a backerboard or decoupling membrane (decoupling will not be as good as backerboard but will help with movement).

Don't see how adhesive isolates ply from heating, if this was the case heat wouldn't be transmitted through the adhesive and then the tiles!!

I'd really like to know the science behind the thinking of adhesive to protect the ply!!

Its not science, its :001_9898::censored:

 

[JamesRB]

If they are giving this information out then surely some people are going to follow it and then any failure are on Heat Mats doorstep??

Luckily my customer changed his mind after it was explained but it can cause problems if manufacture's and fitter's advice don't match.

I wonder what they will say when there is a problem and someone comes back to them and says "well i did as you said!"

 

[dagger]

If they are giving this information out then surely some people are going to follow it and then any failure are on Heat Mats doorstep??

Luckily my customer changed his mind after it was explained but it can cause problems if manufacture's and fitter's advice don't match.

I wonder what they will say when there is a problem and someone comes back to them and says "well i did as you said!"

they will deny they said it!!! if its not in black and white it aint worth s.....e!

 

[JamesRB]

they will deny they said it!!! if its not in black and white it aint worth s.....e!

It is in black and white, written on the quote!

 

[Colour Republic]

It is in black and white, written on the quote!

what is the exact wording on the quote?

 

[dagger]

i almost feel like saying follow instructions, but i know this will fail..FULLSTOP.

its the worst advice given by a company specialising in ufloor heating..
i would go as far as to say its nonsence, shame on them!

adhesive isolating ply... i ask you!!!!, 200wm2 on ply... poppycock...

 

[JamesRB]

what is the exact wording on the quote?

I havn't got it with me, the customer just showed it to me. Just said that prior to laying a 2-3mm bed of flexible adhesive should be applied.

Dagger - Not sure if you have misinterpreted what I was saying. I'm not saying I want to take their advise (far from it), what I am saying is that surely if they are telling you to do this, then surely when it fails, its on their heads....

 

[dagger]

I havn't got it with me, the customer just showed it to me. Just said that prior to laying a 2-3mm bed of flexible adhesive should be applied.

Dagger - Not sure if you have misinterpreted what I was saying. I'm not saying I want to take their advise (far from it), what I am saying is that surely if they are telling you to do this, then surely when it fails, its on their heads....

maybe its my fault, i know you were not going with thier advice, hence this post, all i am saying is if they are making a statement of fact, it should be accurate.. hence "adhesive isolating ply... i ask you!!!!, 200wm2 on ply... poppycock... "

because like you say some peeps will follow it to a tee, and when it goes wrong, they are out of pocket and have a load of hassle, it would be easier on all if they just got thier facts straight!

hope this clears thing up!

Dagger.

 

[JamesRB]

maybe its my fault, i know you were not going with thier advice, hence this post, all i am saying is if they are making a statement of fact, it should be accurate.. hence "adhesive isolating ply... i ask you!!!!, 200wm2 on ply... poppycock... "

because like you say some peeps will follow it to a tee, and when it goes wrong, they are out of pocket and have a load of hassle, it would be easier on all if they just got thier facts straight!

hope this clears thing up!

Dagger.

Couldn't agree more

 

[bert&ernie]

Like i said in earlier posts IMO heatmat are a load of .......s!!!

 

[dagger]

okay, i will say it... uheat, uheat, uheat.. been with warm up for years,
uheat on service, product and general helpfulness..not to mention prices are my supplier of choice!!! and i dont even want a bigger discount!
thanks for everything..Dagger! (aka Protilers)

 

[bert&ernie]

could not have put it better myself!!