How to tile into a window (sill, reveal & top) - no trim - porcelain.

[george 1]

Hello.
I am new on the forum and a passably competent DIYer.
I am probably about to ask a really stupid question but.... Here goes.

I am planning on tiling my bathroom with porcelain tiles - I have some experience of tiling and understand the requirement to square up the room, window etc.

But I come completely unstuck when it comes to tiling into the window sill, reveals and top (what is that called? Lintel?).
I don't want to use trim.
I have read elsewhere on this forum about using butt joints but I am having a problem envisaging how these would work.

For instance:
On the reveals, it would look best if the edge of the tile in the reveal were covered by the wall tile.
However on the sill, the sill tile should probably overlap the wall tile for best effect. Not sure about the top - I suspect it would look best tiled as the reveals.

My problems - What happens at the conjunction of the reveal with the sill?
Are there better ways (or put another way - am I talking rubbish?)
Why have I agreed to do this?:rolleyes5:

Any advice and/or comments - most gratefully received.
All the best
George.

 

[beanz]

Re: How to tile into a window (sill, reveal & top) - no trim - porcel

A lot depends on the type of porcelain.. Are they full bodied, or is there a glazed face and different back? If the tiles are full bodied, you could butt finish them. The other option would be to mitre the tiles. Not an easy task without the proper equipment i'm afraid, but the best over-all look...
As for which way to tile the reveals.. Horses for courses really. If you're able to get a really clean cut with no chipping you could cover the reveal tile with the wall tile, but i think you maybe making work for yourself.
My personal preference is for a square edged (or boxed) chrome trim, over butting the tiles anyday.

 

[beanz]

Re: How to tile into a window (sill, reveal & top) - no trim - porcel

Just a thought... Have you tiled with Porcelain before? Do you have the right tools for the job?

 

[charlie1]

Re: How to tile into a window (sill, reveal & top) - no trim - porcel

Even a good diyer will find it very tricky to get passable results tiling around a window. This is one area of tiling i love. 1, must make sure this wall is completely plumb, failure to do so will lead to problems on the internal cuts. 2, how are you going to support the cuts at the top from slipping, i rig up a timber frame that can be screwed in to the top of window. 3, I'm guessing you don't have a laser level. So use a slow setting adhesive, when you get to the top and tiles are not letting right, this will buy you time to make corrections.

i think you are about to embark on a very stressful area of tiling for a diyer and even some pros. All i will say is throw perfection out the window as it takes years to get this area perfect.

 

[beanz]

Re: How to tile into a window (sill, reveal & top) - no trim - porcel

I have to agree with you there charlie1, i still hate doing windows. If the wall isn't perfectly flat, it's a real pain.

 

[Peter]

Re: How to tile into a window (sill, reveal & top) - no trim - porcel

Keeping perfect levels and squares is a must. I did many a window as an apprentice that when the tiles met above the window either were too tight or too far apart. :lol:

Not sure about the aesthetics of butted tiles though, looks very minimum effort. Either mitres or chrome flat trim.

 

[charlie1]

Re: How to tile into a window (sill, reveal & top) - no trim - porcel

Keeping perfect levels and squares is a must. I did many a window as an apprentice that when the tiles met above the window either were too tight or too far apart. :lol:

Not sure about the aesthetics of butted tiles though, looks very minimum effort. Either mitres or chrome flat trim.

one of the good things with rectified porcelain, if too tight on the top tile and you cant move, then simply cut short if its not too much. You can even re form the small .5mm chamfered edge with a diamond pad.

 

[george 1]

Re: How to tile into a window (sill, reveal & top) - no trim - porcel

Wow - thanks for the responses - much appreciated.

To cover a few of the points raised so far.
I do have a laser level - I use it for my daily work but thanks for the tips about plumb walls - that may have been one I would have missed - obviously (now that you point it out) it has an effect on the look of the reveals.
The tiles I have ordered are full bodied.
Supporting the top tiles - got that one sussed, thanks.

Chrome flat trim - I don't know about this - I shall investigate - I can see how it might make the task simpler but I have to say I really dislike the idea of any trim at all.
Mitre joints - may be beyond my skill level - although I can do them in timber and have access to a good tile cutting machine (diamond disk) thanks to the extravagances of a friend - a lawyer with too much money to spend on tools he can't use! If I was to go this route, I assume there is a grout line on the corner so the colour of the grout (or would it be mastic) will have a bearing on whether to choose this method.

Once again - thanks very much for your input.
All the best
George

 

[charlie1]

Re: How to tile into a window (sill, reveal & top) - no trim - porcel

If you mitre then you will need to remove 1 mm off the point, you can either do it straight or opposite mitre angle. Trust me, what your about to embark on seems logically understandable, add cement with an unskilled hand to the mix then it can spiral out of control. Good luck though mate.

 

[george 1]

Re: How to tile into a window (sill, reveal & top) - no trim - porcel

add cement with an unskilled hand to the mix then it can spiral out of control

I have taken your (collective) point - what I am proposing to do is extremely difficult - even apparently for some pros. I thought as much - hence my questions.

Having started the bathroom revamp, I have to continue. I'll give it my best shot but I guess I may have to use trim if I am going to get a passable result. Only snag - I am a perfectionist and love to do stuff like this aiming for the best possible result. The real world will doubtless impinge on my ideals. Ain't life a drag!

Many thanks
All the best
George

 

[Dmoncrieff]

Re: How to tile into a window (sill, reveal & top) - no trim - porcel

I think miter is the best way to go... Im renovating my bathroom in a couple of weeks and I don't want to use trim either. I looked for different options and found the mitre wiz tool... I think you can find it useful... Im gonna try to get my hands on one for the mitre cuts good luck!

 

[Gazzer]

Re: How to tile into a window (sill, reveal & top) - no trim - porcel

I think miter is the best way to go... Im renovating my bathroom in a couple of weeks and I don't want to use trim either. I looked for different options and found the mitre wiz tool... I think you can find it useful... Im gonna try to get my hands on one for the mitre cuts good luck!

Sadly the Mitre Wizz has been a no show over here. ATS have had a Mitre profiling wheel made for the variable speed grinder which does the job.

 

[Martino]

Re: How to tile into a window (sill, reveal & top) - no trim - porcel

Just board over the window and tile the wall flat....job sorted lol!!!!.....i HATE window walls....always take ages as oppose to a normal flat wall!

 

[Andrew]

Re: How to tile into a window (sill, reveal & top) - no trim - porcel

These were done with an angle grinder and decent blade, stay 1-2 mm from the factory edge and show some love!

 

[Dmoncrieff]

Re: How to tile into a window (sill, reveal & top) - no trim - porcel

Sadly the Mitre Wizz has been a no show over here. ATS have had a Mitre profiling wheel made for the variable speed grinder which does the job.

I contacted them and it will be in the market in 3 weeks... I'll let you know how you can get one if you like