Lady in distress

[Just Rizzle]

lost a job a few weeks ago due to been under cut. the lady rings me today and ask could i have a look at what has happened .
she has had some people come and put down elec ufh and screeded it to the level of her kitchen floor the depth of screed / leveler is 20 mm.
the first thing you see on entry is that the leveler must have been put in with a plough, it is so un even.
the second thing is that it has cracks in it all over some you can get a pound coin in. as well as this the leveler has debonded from the sub floof as when you tap it it sounds hollow.

my recommendation to the lady is this
1 dont pay for the substandard work to date
2 to save the floor pour a 2/1 mix of sbr over the floor and let it soak and grout it into the cracks leave for 24 hrs
3 skim the floor level with a fiber leveler
4 apply bal decoupling mat over kitchen and conservatory floor
5 tile and grout

what are your views discuss?

 

[Spud]

What is underneath the leveller Ray , the SBR does sometimes work when bonding to concrete surfaces you would be better off using a liquid epoxy as it would bond the floor to any type of substrate , yes re level with fibre leveller and yes use a uncoupling mat , what has caused the leveller to so badly crack ? As underlying problems such as excessive movement may be a bigger problem once you have done your repair it may fail further in the future ?

 

[Just Rizzle]

What is underneath the leveller Ray , the SBR does sometimes work when bonding to concrete surfaces you would be better off using a liquid epoxy as it would bond the floor to any type of substrate , yes re level with fibre leveller and yes use a uncoupling mat , what has caused the leveller to so badly crack ? As underlying problems such as excessive movement may be a bigger problem once you have done your repair it may fail further in the future ?

sud floor is concreat 70mm deep layed in august. my view is the leveler was mixed with not enough water in it. it is also not fiberous looks like some thing from B&Q is my quess.

 

[Dave]

Once you apply heat it will debond further imho ...

A weak mix and poured possibly to thick for strength is a disaster , no way on this planet would I try to rescue it..

you know better than that Ray.

 

[White Room]

I can't see how the ufh is going to warm up a floor with 20mm cement based leveler/screed on top....this looks like a hiding to nowhere.

 

[Just Rizzle]

Once you apply heat it will debond further imho ...

A weak mix and poured possibly to thick for strength is a disaster , no way on this planet would I try to rescue it..

you know better than that Ray.

i havent said ill do it yet but do feel sorry for the lady shes down a grand allready as paid the guys up front for materials used so far. may do garys advice and use epoxi if ido the job the tiles shes got are 800 by 400 12 mm porcelain

 

[White Room]

Is she going to feel sorry for you if there's a problem later on when all tiles are fixed....

 

[Andy Allen]

Maybe you shouldn't of priced for a mat in the first place and you wouldn't of been undercut on the job and lost it ..:smilewinkgrin:

 

[widler]

lost a job a few weeks ago due to been under cut. the lady rings me today and ask could i have a look at what has happened .
she has had some people come and put down elec ufh and screeded it to the level of her kitchen floor the depth of screed / leveler is 20 mm.
the first thing you see on entry is that the leveler must have been put in with a plough, it is so un even.
the second thing is that it has cracks in it all over some you can get a pound coin in. as well as this the leveler has debonded from the sub floof as when you tap it it sounds hollow.

my recommendation to the lady is this
1 dont pay for the substandard work to date
2 to save the floor pour a 2/1 mix of sbr over the floor and let it soak and grout it into the cracks leave for 24 hrs
3 skim the floor level with a fiber leveler
4 apply bal decoupling mat over kitchen and conservatory floor
5 tile and grout

what are your views discuss?

Hows the sbr going to bond the de bonded floor to the concrete???
Will it soak threw enough to 'bond' it.
Can't see it myself ray, your on a hiding to nothing [emoji33]

 

[CJ]

You know it makes sense to.....

http://youtu.be/ESy-Z8vqMrE

 

[Just Rizzle]

You know it makes sense to.....

http://youtu.be/ESy-Z8vqMrE

had a night to sleep on it thanks for all your imput ive decided to recommend rip out and start again. it was my first thought when viewing the job in the1st place was trying to save her money if possible as she has all ready lost 1k

 

[Diggy]

Good descision . IMHO if its hollow & cracked its fooked.
Diggy

 

[Mallorcaman]

Yep start again would be safer for sure and then a quick lesson in cheapest is not always the best.

 

[cam_low]

These days, I always stick by the rule that cheapest is never the best. It might be ok, its might work, it might not be pretty, it may be functional...but cheapest is never the best in my book.

 

[Rookery]

I wouldn't touch it either. Needs to be started from scratch.