now that aint a bad idea, putting rapid down flat to markout!! why didnt i think of that?? ive used ink in chalk lines in the past the only problem was its splatters everywhere and is very messy, but i was using a powered dye that is normally used for clothes and just add a little water and the only china pencil ive got a the min is the same colour as the ditra matt ha ha so that wouldnt work unless i get a black/blue one, but thanks alot for your answers it'll take me a day to lay the ditra matting on its own so whatever adhesive ive got left at the end of the day i'll throw down wherever im roughly starting from the next day