New houses...

[beanz]

How are you guys dealing with new builds, and these engineered joists/aluminium stud work etc? I've yet to walk away from one of these jobs feeling 100% happy with the movement. :-/

 

[DHTiling]

900mm centres on studs is great ain't it :lol:

 

[beanz]

Lol! Doesn't fill me with confidence, if I'm honest...

 

[John Benton]

No thanks! Would never choose to live in one either.

 

[Turkish tiler]

I hate it, never feel confident after I finish job, I call them LEGO houses :mad2:

 

[beanz]

It's not just me then? Lol
How are you guys prepping these? On the last one I did, I drilled holes in the plaster boards and squirted expanding foam In. It made the wall a bit stiffer, but still could've done with something else I think.

 

[Dan]

Can't stand new builds. Never liked just studied walls. Had a mate trip on the stairs drunk over Xmas in his house which is a new build and be ended up going through the wall into the kitchen. Loads of work needs to be done now. If it was a brick house he'd have hurt his head but its just be a bit of touching up plaster if anything at all.

Never done one with metal work but I'd imagine its just as annoying.

Can't beat the good old brick builds.

 

[DHTiling]

It's not just me then? Lol
How are you guys prepping these? On the last one I did, I drilled holes in the plaster boards and squirted expanding foam In. It made the wall a bit stiffer, but still could've done with something else I think.

If they flex like hell , then my bro has taken them apart and studded in between to stiffen up... not had probs with TGI floors though , apart from an en-suite we did last summer, again floor up and nogged etc to stiffin it up..

 

[beanz]

There's not really anything to attach studs to Dave!?! Only thing you can do is gripfill them in place, which doesn't really improve the rigidity. I may well

 

[beanz]

...... Ply the next one, then overboard with either plasterboard, or cement board, depending on tiles. Or maybe try even more holes and foam lol!

 

[beanz]

Dan, I hear ya! Although they haven't built solid brick houses round here for a very long time. I'm ok with normal wooden stud though. At least it's easy to add a few noggins if necessary..

 

[DHTiling]

There's not really anything to attach studs to Dave!?! Only thing you can do is gripfill them in place, which doesn't really improve the rigidity. I may well

Horizontal framing .. from stud to stud...

 

[beanz]

Horizontal framing .. from stud to stud...

Doesn't really work, as you can only attach to one side (the other side is open). I guess you could you thinner noggins that would fit inside the Ali, but not sure if they would be solid enough!?! Might be worth looking at though

 

[DHTiling]

We use CLS and it does work .. but it does depend on the metal lay out.. and if you can get a fixing to sole plate and header... also double boarding helps..

 

[beanz]

We use CLS and it does work .. but it does depend on the metal lay out.. and if you can get a fixing to sole plate and header... also double boarding helps..

Dave, do you cut into the metal and slot the CLS in? And do you trim the CLS down, as i find it about 2/3mm too thick usually, which causes bows in the wall. This stuff really is the bane of my life lol!

 

[DHTiling]

Dave, do you cut into the metal and slot the CLS in? And do you trim the CLS down, as i find it about 2/3mm too thick usually, which causes bows in the wall. This stuff really is the bane of my life lol!

Use the CLS along the wall length and this will build out the that depth , if you get my drift... so the CLS depth is further out than the steel / notch around the metal..

best bet is to slap the house builder for using it in the first place :lol:

 

[John Benton]

You just don't want anybody slamming doors in these new builds. You cannot beat bricks and mortar.

 

[beanz]

Use the CLS along the wall length and this will build out the that depth , if you get my drift... so the CLS depth is further out than the steel / notch around the metal..

best bet is to slap the house builder for using it in the first place :lol:

The chance would be a good thing lol! :lol:

Cheers for the advice, i'll have to give that a bash..

 

[Rookery]

You cant beat a good ole brick wall. Presumably the metal studs are used for speed. At least they dont warp as much as the crap s/w studs but I agree they are a pain to work with and the fixers dont always care if they're plumb or in line. Trouble with new/recent build is that you dont know whats behind the boards until you start digging.

 

[Dan]

Dan, I hear ya! Although they haven't built solid brick houses round here for a very long time. I'm ok with normal wooden stud though. At least it's easy to add a few noggins if necessary..

Not seen one built anywhere for a long time. Hell, I was born in 82 and I don't actually think I've seen one built with brick internals anywhere but on grand designs.

And councils used to even build then with brick back in the day. They don't build at all now but if they did, they'd be shockingly poor to work on I'm sure.

It's a shame people (and banks who provide the funding, or used to) don't consider brick built houses more valuable than modern thrown up gaffs that just look smart short term.

 

[charlie1]

I don't do new builds but i wouldn't worry too much, how solid are they once tiles have set? I recon once tiles set then the wall would be solid, a bit like a sheet of plaster board is weak if it was missing one side of paper. I doubt id be going to the extent of ripping walls apart though... Unless your getting paid for the extra prep?