Tile on Tile

[tysfoot]

Hi, im going to a job tomoorow for a bathroom and im tiling on tile

Whats Topps adhsives should i use, im thinking the Grip gear

 

[GazTech]

Hi, im going to a job tomoorow for a bathroom and im tiling on tile

Whats Topps adhsives should i use, im thinking the Grip gear

No ! use white star,and wash walls down with sugar soap first......Gaz
BAL White Star

White, highly flexible, non-slip, highly water-resistant ready-mixed organic dispersion ceramic wall tile adhesive utilising the latest raw material technology and employing the highest quality acrylic resins. Conforms to BS EN 12004 for a D2TE Adhesive.

Suitable for use in dry and wet duty locations including heavy duty commercial applications such as communal showers and commercial kitchens. Ideal for use on a variety of backgrounds including cement:sand rendering, plaster, plasterboard, paint, sheets and boards, tilebacker panels and existing ceramic tiles. Suitable for use on worktops.

 

[Leatherface]

I agree about making sure walls are clean first, any greasy deposits will affect adhesion.
In the rare cases that I agree to tiling on top of tiles - always avoid if possible - you have to take into account weight & how well existing tiles are secured & how flat the surface - i always use cement based, flexible rapid setting adhesive. Then there is no possible problem with the adhesive not drying out. Tub adhesives rely on air & also a bit of suction from the substrate. With tile on tile there is no suction or absorbtion of moisture by the tiles.

 

[Perry]

could take a long time to dry out using bucket :yes:

 

[ad tiling]

if using tub gear leave to set for at least three or four
days before grouting.

 

[Perry]

sometimes even longer can only dry through the joints

 

[Leatherface]

Exactly -so use cement based - customer pays for it and you get the job finished quicker !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Varley]

Leatherface made a good point about the weight risk of tiling on top of tile, just to add to that, how do you know that the tiles you are going to tile onto aren't already on top of other tiles??? It is for this reason that I don't tile on top of tile, you don't know how many layers of tiles there are on the wall.

 

[Perry]

cement based is cheaper yes ?

 

[DHTiling]

Leatherface made a good point about the weight risk of tiling on top of tile, just to add to that, how do you know that the tiles you are going to tile onto aren't already on top of other tiles??? It is for this reason that I don't tile on top of tile, you don't know how many layers of tiles there are on the wall.

Very true varley mate and also you dont know how strong the substrate is either or how well the tiles where previously fixed...so when in dowt rip em off and start afresh.........

 

[Leatherface]

cement based is cheaper yes ?

Cement based is usually more expensive & also more time consuming to mix and apply.
Build the cost into your quote

 

[Perry]

yes Dave your right once again :yes: you do need to check all the ifs and buts wieght ect not just because it looks the easy way out

 

[tiler tom]

When tile on tile I tell the customer that the new tile is only as firmly fixed as the one undeerneath and it is only then that I go ahead with the job if the fully understand what problems can arise.

 

[Perry]

yes Tom best way mate

 

[Leatherface]

When tile on tile I tell the customer that the new tile is only as firmly fixed as the one undeerneath and it is only then that I go ahead with the job if the fully understand what problems can arise.

Exactly !!
This is the reason that, I will hardly ever tile in tile - the only reason that you will get asked to tile on tile is because the customer does not want to go to the expense of having them removed and prepping the walls. Forget it and move on to the next job !!