Tiles come off too easy

[bettyboo]

Hi All,

We have had the kitchen re-tiled about 8 weeks ago and I took the original tiles off - these came away pretty easy (wet plastered walls), we then had somebody in to re-tile and the job was OK - not the best but not the worst. However, because of electrical cabling issues I have had to take some of the tiles off again (a couple of days ago) - for the spark to get to do stuff (part p and all that) - however, it has concerened me at how easy the tiles were to come off - some you could tell the cement was only on a part of the back of the tile - but others which were well covered with the cement left next to nothing on the wall. Some adjoing tiles came away as well.

I was only using a small cold chisel with a plastic mallet.

Somebody has mentioned to me that when the wall was plastered it might of been PVA'd afterwards and this can affect bonding of the cement - is this true. If so, and this is what has happened, what can be done to rectify it??

Cheers

Betty Boo

 

[actiling]

the walls have to be primed up betty,my advise is start again.......sorry

 

[devonmark]

i would get in touch with the plasterer and the tiler and ask if either of them pva'd the walls

 

[myhometiling]

welcome 2 the forums

i would start again since u already have took some tiles off
scrape clean score walls & prime arcrylic primer not pva

calvy :beer_yum:

 

[TonyJ]

Sound advise as usual. but was the tiler a professional? and did he guarantee his work? if so get the tiler back & show him. He might re-tile it for you.

Tony

 

[Ric]

would you really want him back though T?

 

[versatilene]

You mentioned 'Wet plastered walls' if the walls were damp they will all come away easily. Were they fully dry before being retiled? Was the wall painted? this also can mean the tiles may not have a good bond. Agree with the lads above, off with them, prepare walls properly and retile.

 

[GazTech]

totally agree...get them back and play merry hell......Gaz

 

[Ric]

either get your money back or dont pay at all and get the pro's in ...........shame thats happened boo good luck

 

[bettyboo]

Thanks for all the replies guys. I think the chance of getting anything back from the tiler will be zilch. The house is three years old and it is the original plaster. Some skim did come off when the first lot of tiles were taken off, but I think this was because that itself was not bonded too good to the scratch coat. The tiler, as far as I am aware done no surface preparation at all.

I will say this though, if I suggest we have to take the tiles of to my misses (excuse the user name, but it was chosen in honour of our dog who passed away last week!) I think my nuts will be up on the wall instead of tiles!!!

I think I will just do the area where the ties have been taken off and cross my fingers for the rest.

Where will I get the acrylic from? Do Topps do it? as I am looking to put tiles back on over the weekend. I am going to do it myself as my wife admits that I can do a better job than him (I done all the tiling in our last house - kitchen walls, bathroom floor (using 18mm marine ply screwed through floorboard into joists and primed-that floor went nowhere) and vestibule) trouble is I am self employed now and don't get the time, but I supposed I will have to make it. I have a bathroom that we are going to refit soon, as well as an en-suite. I suppose I will do it myself so expect to see me on the forum regularly asking advice as in tanking for a shower etc...

Cheers Guys

BB

 

[versatilene]

Good luck. You get the acrylic from any tile supplier

 

[GazTech]

Thanks for all the replies guys. I think the chance of getting anything back from the tiler will be zilch. The house is three years old and it is the original plaster. Some skim did come off when the first lot of tiles were taken off, but I think this was because that itself was not bonded too good to the scratch coat. The tiler, as far as I am aware done no surface preparation at all.

I will say this though, if I suggest we have to take the tiles of to my misses (excuse the user name, but it was chosen in honour of our dog who passed away last week!) I think my nuts will be up on the wall instead of tiles!!!

I think I will just do the area where the ties have been taken off and cross my fingers for the rest.

Where will I get the acrylic from? Do Topps do it? as I am looking to put tiles back on over the weekend. I am going to do it myself as my wife admits that I can do a better job than him (I done all the tiling in our last house - kitchen walls, bathroom floor (using 18mm marine ply screwed through floorboard into joists and primed-that floor went nowhere) and vestibule) trouble is I am self employed now and don't get the time, but I supposed I will have to make it. I have a bathroom that we are going to refit soon, as well as an en-suite. I suppose I will do it myself so expect to see me on the forum regularly asking advice as in tanking for a shower etc...

Cheers Guys

BB

If we are closer to you...we now have 1 litre acrylic primer by BAL £7.99 inc vat.....Gaz...and good luck

 

[Fred]

Plaster takes 28 days to dry. If folks want it done sooner, walk.

I had a DIY'er who plastered the day before I was to start in winter time and thought the tile adhesive would stick! I've even had builders who have told me to tile over plaster under 28 days, so I walk.

I will not put my name to dodgy work.

I only use acrylic bond sealer as well. PVA only sits on the surface as a 'water' skin, so the tile adhesive, being wet, ra-activates the water-based PVA, and they come off easily. Acrylic bond sealer goes right into the plaster, and seals, as it should.

I went to a so called property developer a few weeks ago, who said I shouldn't bother about my quote part for sealing as he had got hold of PVA and did it, so could I take it off the bill, yes I said, and get another tiler to do it! I'm not putting up 40m2 of porcelain on PVA!!!!

 

[bettyboo]

If we are closer to you...we now have 1 litre acrylic primer by BAL £7.99 inc vat.....Gaz...and good luck

Cheers Gaz - picked some up today from your Widnes branch:icon4: Scoured the walls that are exposed and put a 50/50 mix on tonight. Will put another coat on tomorrow and will tile later on.

As for the 28 days to dry - would this hold true for a skim on plasterboard?? Just need to know for doing the bathroom

Cheers

BB