What are my options?

[nybor62]

if you have decided to leave the tiles down, then slc, decoupling membrane then tiles, and fingers crossed, then i look forward to your next post
why have my trav tiles cracked

 

[diytrainee]

if you have decided to leave the tiles down, then slc, decoupling membrane then tiles, and fingers crossed, then i look forward to your next post
why have my trav tiles cracked

Don't be so assuming and patronising. There really is no need. Why would you look forward to something like that.

 

[nybor62]

it was,nt meant to be taken literally, you asked for advice , were all in agreement the way it needs to be done ,

 

[advancetiling]

personally id rip it up and start from scratch,however ultra do a slc that can go upto 50mm in one pour.

 

[Time's Ran Out]

For 50mm deep you'd be better patching it with sand/cement.

 

[diytrainee]

Interesting. What is this John?

 

[Gazzer]

Interesting. What is this John?

Sand and cement is .....Sand and cement ?????

 

[Time's Ran Out]

It not just 'sand and cement' but the lightest washed building sand and the driest Portland grey cement, gently mixed with accurately measured amounts of fresh clear water into a semi dry consistency. This is M&S sand and cement!
Now DIYtrainee that is being condescending but in a way that is meant to evoke a fun but helpful reply to your enquiry.
It will also be cheaper than buying bags of levelling compound to fill over 2 inches deep.

 

[doug boardley]

why are you so adverse to taking up the quarry tiles diytrainee? I'm trying to look at this from a positive angle and taking your concerns into consideration. What none of us has mentioned is the ease with which the quarries would probably come up with the aid of an sds drill and chisel bit.

 

[diytrainee]

Sand and cement is .....Sand and cement ?????

Meant to say why rather than what

 

[dave l and l]

no he wont. he hasnt so far

 

[andy8758]

DIY Trainee - welcome, a lot of us here emerged from the DIY world to take on tiling full time, so I would offer you advice about what is being said here.

1. Members of the forum like Nybor, Kilty and Mike are respected by all of us here and I trust much of what they advise, but if you have received info and advice from Sir Ramic and Doug Boardley then trust me, they are always giving you the right advice - no matter how hard it is to swallow.
2. You can hire a SDS multi drill for 1/2 day for about £10 from most tool hire shops. You may find it easier to remove them using a slightly bent or shovel shape chisel. You will be able to remove those tiles and the adhesive sticking them at the rate of 5-10 sq m an hour.
3. Travertine has very little strength to resist movement - the tiles are structurally weak and crack at the slightest movement. The fixed quarry tiles are most certainly not all fully fixed and will move when walked on.
4. If you really want to tile on the quarry tiles, then swap the travertine for a porcelain tile that looks similar. Even then, use of an uncoupling membrane like ditra mat by Schluter (other companies provide products that achieve the same) should still be stuck down first - ditra mat is designed to help with unstable floor sub stratas but there are limits to the movement it will isolate - and it is expensive.
5. SLC is ideal for adjusting floor sub strata level - but by the time you have bought it and spent time laying it - you could have removed the quarry tiles. Also bear in mind that a bag of SLC costs £10-25 (dependant on use) - you will probably need more than one. It will not stop movement of any loosening quarry tiles below although some expensive SLC's now allow addition of a strengthening membrane.
6. You could hire someone to remove the tiles for less than you think. How much hassle would that save? There is nothing wrong with hiring someone to do the things you cannot do, whilst you concentrate on the things you can do.

Whatever you decide to do, is entirely up to you at the end of the day. Whatever you decide good luck and hope it all goes well.

Andy

 

[Muse2k8]

Just my 2 cents. I wouldn't hesitate in spending half a day/a day pulling up the old tiles otherwise in a few months you WILL have to rip up both the trav and quarry tiles and start again costing you not only more time but money also.

All the pros are telling you to do it, it's not just advise it's the correct, best and only way to do this.

You couldn't build a house without foundations because you wanted to avoid digging...

 

[Gazzer]

Although I cant see the floor as it is now, you say that you need to remove an area which is high. In my experience ( For what you think its worth) is that when you remove that area you could disturb the setting of other tiles around it. This will then make the whole floor loose and you will still have to put it right.
I cant say no more, you seem to want a get fixed quick solution and there isnt one.

 

[jay]

Might of missed it but whats the substrate under the tiles

 

[diytrainee]

DIY Trainee - welcome, a lot of us here emerged from the DIY world to take on tiling full time, so I would offer you advice about what is being said here.

1. Members of the forum like Nybor, Kilty and Mike are respected by all of us here and I trust much of what they advise, but if you have received info and advice from Sir Ramic and Doug Boardley then trust me, they are always giving you the right advice - no matter how hard it is to swallow.
2. You can hire a SDS multi drill for 1/2 day for about £10 from most tool hire shops. You may find it easier to remove them using a slightly bent or shovel shape chisel. You will be able to remove those tiles and the adhesive sticking them at the rate of 5-10 sq m an hour.
3. Travertine has very little strength to resist movement - the tiles are structurally weak and crack at the slightest movement. The fixed quarry tiles are most certainly not all fully fixed and will move when walked on.
4. If you really want to tile on the quarry tiles, then swap the travertine for a porcelain tile that looks similar. Even then, use of an uncoupling membrane like ditra mat by Schluter (other companies provide products that achieve the same) should still be stuck down first - ditra mat is designed to help with unstable floor sub stratas but there are limits to the movement it will isolate - and it is expensive.
5. SLC is ideal for adjusting floor sub strata level - but by the time you have bought it and spent time laying it - you could have removed the quarry tiles. Also bear in mind that a bag of SLC costs £10-25 (dependant on use) - you will probably need more than one. It will not stop movement of any loosening quarry tiles below although some expensive SLC's now allow addition of a strengthening membrane.
6. You could hire someone to remove the tiles for less than you think. How much hassle would that save? There is nothing wrong with hiring someone to do the things you cannot do, whilst you concentrate on the things you can do.

Whatever you decide to do, is entirely up to you at the end of the day. Whatever you decide good luck and hope it all goes well.

Andy

Great post. Thanks Andy

 

[diytrainee]

Might of missed it but whats the substrate under the tiles

Concrete. And under that is slate. Just seen that tonight.

Guys ive been thinking more and more about this and I've decided to go with the overwhelming advise of taking the tiles up.

Thanks again.

 

[Mike]

good thinking, good luck with it and remember there's always plenty of advice on here for you

 

[Muse2k8]

Good luck with it and don't hesitate to ask if you need any help

 

[diytrainee]

Good luck with it and don't hesitate to ask if you need any help

Cheers

 

[JLM Tiling]

DIY Trainee - welcome, a lot of us here emerged from the DIY world to take on tiling full time, so I would offer you advice about what is being said here.

1. Members of the forum like Nybor, Kilty and Mike are respected by all of us here and I trust much of what they advise, but if you have received info and advice from Sir Ramic and Doug Boardley then trust me, they are always giving you the right advice - no matter how hard it is to swallow.
2. You can hire a SDS multi drill for 1/2 day for about £10 from most tool hire shops. You may find it easier to remove them using a slightly bent or shovel shape chisel. You will be able to remove those tiles and the adhesive sticking them at the rate of 5-10 sq m an hour.
3. Travertine has very little strength to resist movement - the tiles are structurally weak and crack at the slightest movement. The fixed quarry tiles are most certainly not all fully fixed and will move when walked on.
4. If you really want to tile on the quarry tiles, then swap the travertine for a porcelain tile that looks similar. Even then, use of an uncoupling membrane like ditra mat by Schluter (other companies provide products that achieve the same) should still be stuck down first - ditra mat is designed to help with unstable floor sub stratas but there are limits to the movement it will isolate - and it is expensive.
5. SLC is ideal for adjusting floor sub strata level - but by the time you have bought it and spent time laying it - you could have removed the quarry tiles. Also bear in mind that a bag of SLC costs £10-25 (dependant on use) - you will probably need more than one. It will not stop movement of any loosening quarry tiles below although some expensive SLC's now allow addition of a strengthening membrane.
6. You could hire someone to remove the tiles for less than you think. How much hassle would that save? There is nothing wrong with hiring someone to do the things you cannot do, whilst you concentrate on the things you can do.

Whatever you decide to do, is entirely up to you at the end of the day. Whatever you decide good luck and hope it all goes well.

Andy

Now that is an excellent post!!

 

[nybor62]

Concrete. And under that is slate. Just seen that tonight.

Guys ive been thinking more and more about this and I've decided to go with the overwhelming advise of taking the tiles up.

Thanks again.

im glad you have decided to take up the tiles , it will save you a lot of heart ache, and hopefully you will have a floor to be proud off, thanks for listening cheers .
ROB

 

[jay]

Wise move best to remove

 

[doug boardley]

good man

 

[jay]

Curiosity got the better of me just wondering whats under the slate