Nvq Tiling Courses

[Tile Shop]

After my first proper attempt before the xmas break, I grant you it wasn't great, but I quite enjoyed tiling.

I work in Customer Service with my main emphasis on specing, CADing tiling projects, answering technical queries and liaising with the more brainy technical departments of BAL, Schluter, Mapei blah-de-blah etc etc to name but a few.

I joined this forum to gain some extra knowledge but am now thinking that I should take this one step further. I've been promised by the bosses at W&F that I will spend time with an experienced tiler, go on training courses with our suppliers etc. But as of yet (through no fault of theirs) it hasn't yet been possible. So I'm going to fork out of my own pocket to go on a multi-weekend NVQ Tiling course and claim the money back (hopefully) and do it alongside my current job. Not only because it will help me in my current role, but also opens up more possibilities and maybe a new career later in the future.

So I'm reaching out to people who have done these courses before or anyone who has any knowledge of them, who can advise me how helpful these courses really are. I know I'll get a qualification at the end of it, but how much "real" experience will I gain? Is it like passing your driving test and then really learning to drive once you're out on your own? or are the courses enough on their own to get you started in a new career or help me to verbally advise people "how to"?

Also regarding the CSCS cards. The NVQ levels available are 2, 3 and 4+ and also grant you either a blue, gold or black card at the end. Whats the difference between the different level courses and the cards?

Any input gratefully received.

 

[jjmelve93]

Hey folks, very new to tiling but after tiling my own bathroom and enjoying the work doing it I have decided a career path with this profession. I have looked at 2 week intensive courses to get me started ,however one of them offers a (City & Guilds award) at the end of it and the other offer's a (CITB) Diploma. Each of the courses are priced roughly the same. I can do the City & Guilds award in Edinburgh which is more convenient or I can travel to Bradford and do the CITB one there and stay at a family's home.

However as I will be working and living in Scotland (Angus area) I want to know which would be more advantageous to gain before I do further training for example working to an NVQ or part time shadowing a qualified Tiler, can anyone advise?

All your comments would be muchly appreciated!

Josh

 

[Unused Account 1]

Hey josh ,great what your doing ,but the best bit of advice i can give you,find a tiler in your area and work for him for free 2 or 3 days a week,youll learn a lot of ideas and skills from him ,i did it when i was at college 14 years ago ,the best thing i did ,especially now as so many products about ,knowledge ofmaterials is one of the best things ,good luck

 

[Dave]

Dont worry about the diploma etc , they are not really worth the paper they are written on.. True qualifications take a lot longer than 2 weeks.

If you think you can benefit from a short experience course then go for it but dont expect the paper they give you to carry any weight qualification wise..

 

[jjmelve93]

Appreciate the feedback guys, the trouble is I work full time already and find it hard to get any spare time at the weekends, im happy to take holiday time off work to train but i want to gain some experience at least to start domestic jobs.

 

[Time's Ran Out]

Spoiler alert!
A 2 week course will provide you with the basics to do your own bathroom, but to think you can then go out at weekends and do domestic work and get paid is expecting too much.
By the time you buy your tools, public liability insurance, tax and national insurance, it'll be months before you make a penny.
This is a trade that should be regulated and although enjoying the work is the most important part, to charge for work requires a commitment and level of service beyond DIY.

 

[EdinTiler]

I went the other way. I started off working for a tiler in 2003. He thought he was the bollox and didn't mind telling me this every working day. Trouble is that he believed his own hype and if truth be told, his work was terrible. So I went down to Stoke (I'm from Edinburgh) and did a PITT 2 week training course. I learned more from that 2 weeks than I did from over a year of working for this pellet, who I quickly realised was as much a tiler as I am a cardio-thoracic surgeon. I have actually rectified about 5 of his jobs through pure chance.
The irony of this story is that my father is a tiler but we never spoke for years and years and after completing the course we made amends and worked together for 2 years before I went out on my own. We still get on very well to this day. He's retired now.
Anyway, out of the 16 people that were on the course, I'm the only one that went on to do it full time. I was lucky that I had my father to come back and work, learn and train with. If I hadn't, I seriously think I wouldn't be in the trade to this day. Reason being that it's all and well doing a course but you're going into a paying customers home and that's a whole different ball game when you don't have any actual 'experience'.
It's all or nothing really. Do as the lads say and work for a reputable tiler for long enough until you're doing jobs for them on your own and your standard is high. This takes years though and this puts people off of jumping in at the deep end and actually doing the above.
I also agree with timeless John that our trade should be regulated a lot more rigoresly than it is at the moment. The amount of people and customers that I know and have met that thought it was easy until they actually tried it is immense.
EdinTiler

 

[One Day]

Damn right it should be regulated. The main reason i quit the tile association was their complete disinterest in regulation. there's a
Thread on here where a lady is about to let a tiler install and tile a wetroom/level access tray, and even though he's never done one before! She's on here asking for help so she can guide him! About 25 percent of all my work is ripping out and putting right wet areas and showers which have been installed by people who really aren't capable. I would far prefer to spend more time installing right the first time.

 

[Old Mod]

Glad you your Dad sorted things @EdinTiler
Very kool!

 

[The D]

the 2 week C&G award will be a 6219 and is the most basic introduction to tiling. It really is worth nothing it was designed for pre 16 and 16 to 19 to have a go and see if they like tiling(the award is given to the youngsters to make them feel like they have achieved something) and if they do they can progress on to a C&G Diploma level 1 (one year) and then on to a level 2 (one year)
The 6219 has been hijacked and is sold as a C&G award by privet training companies to people that want a fast track in to the trade and don't want to or can't afford to spend the time doing things the right way but most of them don't spend the time finding out what the "C&G award" will actually get them if they did they would not wast there time and money on this qualification.

At the moment you can work in the domestic market in this country as a tiler without holding any qualifications what so ever, if you have a van and the tools and the attitude to give it a go you can! and this forum is proof of this as there are only a hand full of "tilers" on here that have had any formal training and even fewer that hold a qualification

If you want to gain a recognised NVQ qualification so you can work within the construction industry as a professional wall and floor tiler you will need to have 5 years experience and then build a portfolio of the work you have cared out and cross reference the work to the NVQ criteria.
There is no time limit on how long it will take, you just keep ticking off each unit as you do them.

 

[Aston]

Can i just add something.

Right, a 2 week course will give you 2 weeks experience...no, seriously, think about it??? 2 weeks course = 2 weeks experience...now when you think about it, what can you really take from 2 weeks. You cannot condition much in 2 weeks, you will forget 50% of it after 1 week and in the real world, its so insignificant it really doesnt register....most of the time people are hooked by the qualification but in reality, it will count for nothing except the paper its written on..forget short cuts and quick fixes, they dont exist, just accept, it will take between 3-5 years to be decent at wall and floor tiling because thats the truth and it could take longer if your only experience is a 2 week course followed by you tube and forum tuition.

Tbo, i have been in the construction game since 1985 but tiling had been a big part of my life since 2006, so 10 years on and im still learning new things every day. Master the basics and then keep progressing in every area, when you have done that, dont get carried away, accept that there will be more to come because thats tiling...people dont change much but tiles, adhesives and methods seem to be changing by the month ;0)

 

[One Day]

And no matter how much experience you have, or however many qualifications you might have; you still have to deal with the resultant mess that builders, plasterers, plumbers etc create and leave behind.
To be a really good tiler you have to be able to swim right through the sea of stupidity and ignorance in order to deliver a first rate job. And that takes a lot of time, skill, endurance, patience and experience.

 

[Jaclyn Fiddyment]

any advice how to get started? I've emailed 15 tilers in my local area and offered free help to get experience but no luck with responses...any suggestions of what to do next? Thanks

 

[Old Mod]

They probably think you're winding them up haha
Why not have a scout round your local area for a large building sites and firstly speak to the site office explaning why you're there and see if they will introduce you to either the Tilers or the tiling contractor in question.
I can't see any bona fide contractor turning down free help!

 

[Chalker]

That's the trouble. You just emailed them!
I get a formatted letter from apprentices from our local college, at least once a month. They are all the same, with the name inserted. I pop them in the bin. Same with formatted emails.
Firstly, if you contact any business. Do your reaserch , most people research a new tv more than the company they are looking to work for.
Once you have found out some info. Quite simply ring up! If you get no reply, go and see them at work or home, (smartly dressed and hide the phone) .
Offer to work for free for a week.
All this will impress and show your interested.

 

[MTiler]

As I have a CSCS Skilled Worker Blue Card for site work do I still need to do the CITB H&S Awareness course?
I ask as a Contractor I often work for sent out a email to his employees and subbies saying we need to do the course for site work as its been asked for, but as we all do different work we're all gonna have different cards, if any.
Looking into it the course sites say its the first step to a Labourers Green card.

cheers
Sharon

 

[smudger85]

Good evening to all.

I've been working with a tiler,full time for just over 3 years now. Love my job and we are very busy with a variety of jobs from Kia show rooms to Victorian hall ways etc
The chap I work with doesn't have any qualifications as such (eg nvq2/3 or city &guilds) but does have 17 years experience.
He says I don't need nvq's etc but I would just like to get a few other opinions really.
Id like to learn as much as I can and want to be taught right. I want to do things properly so I can legitimately call myself a professional tiler at some point.

Any feed back would be great

Thanks Danny

 

[White Room]

If you wanted to go on site as a skilled worker you would need an nvq to get the blue card plus a cscs for H&S which is required on all sites.

Do you have a cscs card working for the guy your with now ?

 

[smudger85]

Thanks for the reply
No I don't have a cscs card as we never do site work with the exception of the Kia garage. We just work for small builders really who do a few houses at a time and big extensions. With a few domestics thrown in for good measure.

 

[White Room]

Thanks for the reply
No I don't have a cscs card as we never do site work with the exception of the Kia garage. We just work for small builders really who do a few houses at a time and big extensions. With a few domestics thrown in for good measure.

One day you may want to do bigger site works rather than just builders then an nvq would be required.

 

[The D]

An NVQ is not something that is going to teach you anything that is the tilers job the NVQ is a record of your capability. when you sign up for your NVQ you will start to build a portfolio of your work for the assessor. The tiler you work with can be your verifier and you can just work through the NVQ criteria ticking of each unit as you go. If there is a paticuler unit or task you don't do much of then you can attend college to get the relevent training but you must then put it into practis in a live situation as simulated evidence is not permitted on the NVQ. All you are doing on an NVQ is gathering evidence that tiling is what you do.

 

[smudger85]

Thanks for the reply @deanotile i think able skills in dartford is the closest place to me from where I live so I'll look into it. Thanks again