Some good points from you that I have not even thought of - Thanks. I just thought that a 4X4 would be strong enough & big enough to carry a heavy load, as my golf is really beginning to 'squeak' with all the weight in the boot. My main complaint about the golf is that I quite often have to make 2 trips with tools etc. There would be no off roading in a 4x4 as I live just inside the M25 So I guess that's a point knocked off the 4x4. I will have to double check 4x4 prices with estates. Again, I had thought that the prices of 4x4's would be going down due to running costs etc, and I thought I would get a lot of car for my money. I just did a search on the vivaro (with an extra seat fitted). Not too practical, with having a 7 & 5 year old!.......I see it also comes in a minibus version, which again would not be too practical. Cheers again for all yr comments.