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mc76

Hi, hope that someone might be able to help. We are currently in the process of tiling our bathroom and have chosen to make a feature wall using marble brick bone mosaic tiles. I was told by the mosaic supplier that the tiles would stain quite easily therefore our tiler would have to work cleanly and avoid getting adhesive on the tiles. We were advised to seal the tiles once they had been stuck to the wall, then grout and then re-seal. I also purchased Genesis aluminium square mosaic trim as we were after a chrome finish and I thought that the specialist mosaic trim would make the job of tiling around the two windows easier for the tiler.

The tiler came at the weekend and we showed him the trim and rather worryingly said that he had never seen the mosaic trim before. I did point out that the flanges on the trim could be removed as I had read up about it on the internet and just assumed that he would be able to work out how to use and mitre them.

I arrived at the house this afternoon and most of the tiles had been fitted to the wall. However, the trims had been fitted really badly, as though they had been hacked at with an axe. The tiler explained that he couldn't fit them into his mitreing tool but I did say that he could have sheared off the flanges as mentioned at the weekend. There were gaps in between some of the corners and some were overlapped leaving sharp edges. It really did look unprofessional. I also noticed that the tiles were also wet in places, they had been washed down.

My husband arrived after the tiler had left and was horrified. Apparently the tiler had used an old and blunt junior hacksaw to cut the trim. We could also see the adhesive in many places and in some parts it was oozing through the mesh and had gone over a lot of the tiles. He confronted the tiler who instantly got defensive blaming us for getting the mosaic trim. My husband also mentioned the fact that the tiles were covered in adhesive and the tiler said that it was because the walls weren't straight and he had to compensate with more adhesive. However, my husband had plasterboarded the wall so pointed out that you can't get much straighter walls than that.

The tiler has packed up and left and expects some sort of payment although by the time we pay for new trim and replacement tiles there probably won't be anything left.

We just wanted some advice to see if we can actually salvage anything from this mess. Can we clean off the adhesive from the mosaics on the wall or are they completely ruined? Will we have to start again from scratch? We have already pulled the trim out as there was no way it could have stayed looking the way it was but how would we now get trim back in again? Would we be able to just take off the two first layers of mosaic sitting against the trim, put in the new trim and put the two strips of mosaic back? However, on the vertical sides of the window this isn't going to be an option so I can't see how we can replace without taking the mosaics off completely. We'll have to get some more quotes to finish the job off and rectify the mess. We have already spent more on the tiles than we really wanted to so the thought of having to buy more to replace is a big concern.

Any advice would be mich appreciated.

Many thanks.
 

Andy Allen

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are you sure the wall was straight, ive seen many plasterboard walls run out miles, especially round windows, this may be the reason for the sharp edges on the trim, and packed out adhesive, still no excuse for bad work, but he could have been trying to make the best out of a bad job , pics would help us to see more, perhaps one with a level running up the wall..
 
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mc76

It was my husband who plasterboarded the wall, I'd have to check with him. The reason he gave for the dodgy joints was he couldn't fit the trim into the tool for mitreing it properly so he used a hacksaw and guessed the angles hoping that the joints would be flush. We took the trim off but I could probably get some photos of how it was cut as I still have it here.
 
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mc76

We're in Lancashire. I have someone coming over at 4pm to have a look and assess what we can do. I also spoke to the mosaic supplier who said that we should be able to clean up the mosaics. They're grey tumbled marble. He did mention QEP heavy duty stain remover but said to check as it may not be suitable for marble.... I had a look and it's not. They did have a QEP cleaner suitable for marble and slate but it said it leaves them shiny and the look of the tiles is matt.

Does anyone know what we could use to clean them up a bit? That is my biggest worry at the moment as almost all the tiles were used yesterday and we really don't want to have to replace them.

I also to the company who supplied the trim and they did say that if you have the correct mitreing tool and a sharp enough blade on your hacksaw you can get a clean cut. I may be able to salvage some of the trim as the longer bits can be used for the smaller window.

Thanks for your help.
 
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bugs183

Hiya, as Andy and Charlie says just how good were your husbands walls? Mosaics are a nightmare to fix, any bumps or lack of level will be a nightmare for anyone fixing mosaics, no matter how good they are, and what adhesive did he use, did you chaps supply it??
What thickness are the mosaics and what thickness is the trim?
You have only a few mm tolerance with mosaics to get the adhesive bed right, if the trims were too deep the tiler would have had a right game getting them to look right, but if they weren't the right size a decent tiler wouldn't have tried to fit them.
Are you keeping the mosaics on the wall or are you going to remove them? If do try and remove them i doubt you'll be able to save any as the mesh will part from the tiles.
 

kilty55

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hello there,shame to hear your job has gone so badly wrong

this is just my opinion but i would stop the install dead in its tracks just now....i wouldnt hire anyone else that hasnt been properly checked out for work and referances etc

if the wall is not pan flat for mosaics it will look terrible imo,plasterboarding a wall does not mean its flat nevertheless your tiler should have discussed preperation of the room with you and stipulated what was needed before going ahead and mosaicing a bent wall

i also wouldnt take the advice of the mosaic supplier at this point and just simply try to clean them up

please post pics and the members can help you,also imo you will get a top tiler on here if you ask dave/dan for a reccomendation
 
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mc76

Thanks everyone for your replies. We had someone in yesterday to have a look, ironically it was the guy we originally wanted to get but he was really booked up, we know that he comes highly recommended. He was horrified at the state of the tiling and said it was a complete mess. We'll have to cut our losses and buy some new tiles and start again including replasterboarding as the old stuff was soggy from the adhesive. I know that it hadn't been 48 hours (I think the tub the tiler left said it took 48 hours to set) but the mosaics were just peeling off the wall last night. My husband took some pictures before we took them down but would need to upload.

I'm relieved that the tiler only spent a day on our bathroom, had it been longer I don't know what we would have been left with.

By the way, the mosaics were 8-9mm and the trim was 10mm, I was told that this would be OK. I have taken the trim down and washed the adhesive off so we should be able to reuse some of it.

This forum is great, I will definitely keep it in my favourites as everyone is so willing to help.

Thanks again.
 

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