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Sorry Dave, I’m not sure this is the right place for this post, so if it’s not could you move it for me?
I’m just wondering how you guys feel about prime time building programmes? Do you feel it enhances our trade or does it more damage? I only ask because yet another programme has started recently – Cowboy Builders, Channel Five and I’m not entirely sure it’s doing us any good. Of course it’s entertaining but it doesn’t help the consumer it just make entertaining viewing. I’ve listed just but a few of the programmes below and how I feel about them...

Cowboy Builders

This is a new one and on first glace would appear a factual and helpful programme but it’s not, It has Melinda Messenger running about town blagging free goods from any shop that will happily supply hundreds sometimes thousands of pounds worth of goods seemingly out of the goodness of their hearts but in reality just to get a one line mention on the channel 5 website and then Dom Littlewood charging about trying to grab the (so called) builder by the throat. I agree these builders need to be named and shamed but the programme never gives any real advice on how to avoid the same pitfalls and this is what makes it entertainment. Why don’t they say ‘If a price is too good to be true, then it probably is’ and ‘you get what you pay for’. Something that these programmes all have in common is that they are up against a deadline and as luck would have it they never miss it!
I think it’s also very rich of a programme that is trying to shame cowboy builders to then complete shoddy work themselves, I’ve just finished watching on channels fives website the episode in Leeds and there are a couple of scenes were it doesn’t do its self any favours, the first isn’t that bad at all but still... It shows one of the shows builders trying to drill through the side of the house with a 10mm x 400mm drill bit using a cordless drill. The drill is vibrating all over the place and you know it’s going to take him 10 minutes. I’ve done this myself but only because the bushes had worn out on my hammer drill that very same day. In another shot they show the decorators painting on to bare plaster without thinning out the paint to prime, Ok you can get paints that will allow you to paint without priming but these paints mark like crazy and I’d never paint someone’s house in it as I know it won’t last. Lastly in one of the end scenes it shows you the end product now take a look at how badly aligned the wardrobe doors are!!! I understand this is a programme that had only so much time to film but then at least put a disclaimer at the end that tells the viewers that the builders were on site for another week putting right everything that they had rushed!

60 Second Makeover

Where to start with this one! The finish is shocking, the camera rarely stands still enough to show how bad the workmanship is but when it does OH MY GOD! Another is that they never show that all the people working on the house would fill ‘The Royal Albert Hall’ (Just like those holes in Blackburn Lancashire)

Changing Rooms
Don’t tell viewers that a new bathroom cost £600, do labour charges not exist in your world? It’s almost as bad as B&Q saying ‘You can have this complete bathroom for £289’ ermmm aren’t you forgetting the £200 in plumbing materials to make the d**n thing work.

Grand Designs
I love this programme! It’s the only programme that gives a balanced view on building works, the highs and the lows, It’s very stressful having builders into your own home, in your own personal space but I believe this programme often shows the stress that tradesmen go through on a daily basis so that the customer gets what he/she wants. My only gripe with this programme is that it often champions German builders, but sometimes neglects the fact that the Germans spend weeks sometimes months building everything off site which means they only have to spend a few days installing but I can forgive grand Designs this oversight as it is generally an excellent programme. I love my job I started building when I was sixteen and have sometimes gone into other professions (I’ve been an accountant and worked for record companies, how detached is that from the tools!) but I always come back because I’ve not found a job that can give you the same job satisfaction as building does.
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to be honest CR Grand Designs is the only one I watch by choice, even though I think kevin mcleod is a condescending t**t, but i like the format as it gives you warts and all insight into what is achievable with a bit of imagination and a (usually not so small!) budget!
 
Got to agree there mate, how many times have I tried and failed miserably to get out of the building game. Theres something there that keeps me going, like you say job satisfaction. 60 second makeover, pleeeeeeeeeeese what tosh:yikes:
 
the grand designs...is the German episode you are talking about being the flat roof that ended up like a swimming pool?I do watch them but havent seen the one with Melinda ...maybe just watch that for the eye candy..lol


That house ended up gorgeous with only one internal door.Pitty about the glass blocks protecting the shower in the open spaced living area...you could be sitting in the kitchen having breakfast watching the other half shower...erm..cmon..i know we are liberated but thats a no no.(bad design)
 
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the grand designs...is the German episode you are talking abouy being the flat roof that ended up like a swimming pool?I do watch them but havent seen the one with Melinda ...maybe just watch that for the eye candy..lol
yeah I remember that GD Bri, the one with Melinda is ok(ish), Dom tries to be the tough nut tho' by doing his "cook report" on cowboys. He ends up looking like a little bloke with a big chip on his shoulder tho'!
 
the grand designs...is the German episode you are talking about being the flat roof that ended up like a swimming pool?I do watch them but havent seen the one with Melinda ...maybe just watch that for the eye candy..lol


That house ended up gorgeous with only one internal door.Pitty about the glass blocks protecting the shower in the open spaced living area...you could be sitting in the kitchen having breakfast watching the other half shower...erm..cmon..i know we are liberated but thats a no no.(bad design)

That's not the one as it happens but yes that one the Germans really did mess up!, All the British builders watching them put up a roof without a fall, shaking their heads saying 'I've got to see this!!'

The glass block really were a bad idea, but somebody did a similar design but the glass became opaqe when a current was passed through it, i've mangaed to track the manufacturers down and am now offering it to my customers.

I'm so sorry about my spelling and gramma tonight but 2 bottles of wine will do that to you, Radcliffe's 'Calle Vieja' if anybodys interested.
 
yeah I remember that GD Bri, the one with Melinda is ok(ish), Dom tries to be the tough nut tho' by doing his "cook report" on cowboys. He ends up looking like a little bloke with a big chip on his shoulder tho'!

Couldn't agree more, the way he steams up to people then realises that it's not quite going to be the big punch up that he thinks it will
 
What makes you think i'm getting up in the morning?

arhhh maybe it is my bed time, got a delivery arriving on the job at 7:30
cab sav for me tonight, not made my mind up yet about tomorrow, as Roger has so i hardly think it's wort a 25 mile round trip to grout 5m2! it'll wait till I'm up there next time, plus I could take the boys swimming tomorrow!
 
rodger again..i would shoot that boy...NO,ME and WIVERS would take him out for a beer and kick the out of him.Once we had dipped his pockets.
 


Where to start with this one! The finish is shocking, the camera rarely stands still enough to show how bad the workmanship is but when it does OH MY GOD! Another is that they never show that all the people working on the house would fill ‘The Royal Albert Hall’ (Just like those holes in Blackburn Lancashire)


Oi watch it i live near Blackburn:rant:
 
Talking about labour charges I think it was Sarah Beeny's books and her magazine that was slated for giving unrealistic labour charges for given jobs.

The problem is in many cases that researchers are not trained in the trade and because the programmes are produced on a tight budget, it's all down to Sharon, who works in lighting or whoever to ask her BF, a handyman, how much he would charge to paint a room.

Garbage in = Garbage out.

I think the most innacurate article in a magazine prize goes to the BBC, when Part P of the Building Regs came in.

It stated that the NICEIC had passed introduced a law to ban all DIY electrical work in the home. In so many words.

Firstly the NICEIC is a charity, not a governing body and certainly not parliament.
Secondly the law was passed, but in Parliament, in the normal way
Thirdly Not all DIY electrical work was banned. There is still plenty that can be done that is not within the scope of Part P
Fourthly Other work that falls within the scope of Part P can still be done, provided the LABC is properly notified.

The article was a small editorial, about 1/6th of a single side, yet only the BBC could cram so many innacuracies into such a small space, well done the BBC!
 
I liked the bit on cowboy builders when there lifting a large steel beam using thin straps and using the scaffold bars as a pully system.....COWBOYS
 
That grand designs what people are on about was class, He said to the bloke something like:
"why pay the expense of having to fly over German workers?"
"because no one over here can do it too a good enough standard"

Next clip Kevin McCloud is there on the roof trying his best not to smile explaining that the outer of the roof will need to come off and be repaired at a huge expense.
Love watching Grand Designs but really annoys me that every other episode he says in his closing comments something along the lines of "i thought blah blah blah was crazy to try such a thing but you know what?, it works"

Watched that Cowboy builders last night, load of crap.

Bit disappointed DIY SOS didn't get a mention, enjoy watching that.
 
Bit disappointed DIY SOS didn't get a mention, enjoy watching that.

There really are too many to mention I only listed a couple that came into my head. DIY SOS is one of the ones that is a good watch, that's pretty much how most of my days go with a bit of laugh here and there but still getting it done. I tend to find that most of my customers actually enjoy watching us stitching each other up! Of course I have a lot of customers that prefer the ultra professional approach and we do that to, anything to keep the customer happy and relaxed
 
Watched that repeat of grand designs the other night with the leaky german flat roof as far ime concerned it was never going to work and ime not sure thats the way they do it there seems like it was a new idea but anyway i worked in germany for sometime and generaly they work to a good standard but youiget bodgers everywhere.
Andy
 
I hope my original post didn't come across as me slating German builders? In fact I admire a lot of their techniques but my point is that most of the work is done off site so it seems to Joe public that they are more efficient, in many ways they are but we just don't have that sort of infrastructure in the UK. Because of that, the few companies in the UK that can work in this way are very expensive because of the limited amount of work they get means they can't be competitive
 
watched grand designs last night...the one where the couple reclaimed an old castle...cost them a fortune but was absolutely magnificent when complete.anyone see it?
 
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