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Sandy has hit the nail on the head....... Most of the multi trade guys I know are on a constant roller coaster of emotion and pressure, and while being multi trade is great when doing smaller jobs, on full re-fits the pressure can really build.

We all have jobs that can turn into a nightmare, but you just have to knuckle down, get through it and move on. There's a lot of good suggestions above, so take your time when you get it finished and think about how you want to move forward. Maybe tiling isn't one of the things for you and if not, then get a competent tiller to sub the work out to and you focus on everything else.
 
I think Robs nailed it

job seems to be taking forever to finish, I hate it when that happens. under estimation makes it worse as you feel your working for nothing, weve all been there, forget the money and concentrate on the finish

as others have said , if you become exhausted you cant work properly , you make silly mistakes that you then have to rectify before you can carry on making the job longer

you need a day off and forget about work, have a duvet day, one good days rest will enable you to tackle the job more efficiantly and is worth 2 days working exhausted

like sandy when I was multi trading I was knackered , now I charge more and spend less time at work, im in control of business and a lot happier
 
Hugo, There is some great posts in this thread and there isn't anything that i could really add to them except that I dont live far from you and if you want some pointers on setting out etc then you could come along to a couple of different jobs of mine to see how i go about it!(you wouldnt need to be there for the entire job but just things where you need a bit off advice) Im not offering you work! and Im not paying you! and you dont have to work! and I dont have the time to teach someone, but if you think it may help you by seeing how someone else sets out, goes about there day and give you some pointers and reasons to why i do things the way i do then you are more then welcome.
Im in no way a teacher or the best to learn from but if you think it may help then the offer is there! :thumbsup:
 
Steve.

That is a very kind offer, and one that I may well take you up on. I'll need to see what I'm doing over the next few months.

To asnwer Timeless John's post, I am well aware that the customer has paid for a professional service and that he should expect nothing less. In this case I found difficulty delivering it within the unrealistic timescale that I had set myself, not only because I underestimated it but also because we had issues like the weather (-10°c and the sharp sand being frozen when I came to mix it up for the screed for example). I know your post was meant with the best of intentions but I certainly never thought I could just turn up and tile. Whenever I do something for the first time I tend to research it. I came across this site 2 years ago when researching wet rooms for a client. To be honest I did have to re assess a few assumptions I had made about tiling as well. But we all learn.

One thing I learned about from you guys what the advantages of bagged adhesives over tubbed. I tend not to use tubbed anymore, apart from a cloakroom splashback I did in our own house over the holiday. Previously I was using tubbed for wall tiles and bagged rapid set for the floors.

Today I made good progress. I had 2 successes.

1) I started tiling the last wall. The wall was up to 1/2 inch out in places but I had flattened it out buy using a straight edge and applying rapid set to it. It wasn't quite straight, but I managed to put a few rows of tiles on it so straight that they may as well be on a perfect stud wall. Simple techniques like applying adhesive over large areas and back buttering the tiles with the flat edge of the trowel as necessary helped. You get an idea for exactly how much adhesive to put on and the job speeds up :thumbsup:

2) As you know I had got a bit of a build up at the bottom of the walls in one or two areas. I had been left with a couple of rogue corners where the walls meet the floor. Thanks to the Kerdi tape I was looking at tiles being kinked out at the bottom. Careful examination concluded that the tiles in question were affected by about 2 - 3mm or so. Solution, I just rasped off the back of the affected tiles in the relevent corners/ areas to suite, and now they sit fine! I have a tile rasp insert that I have in the past used for filing down edges. But today it found a new application.

Anyway.

Many many thanks for your replies.

Hugo
Before I came on this site I considered myself quite a good tiler. I have several floors and walls under my belt
 
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I complain when I see the state of the walls, the state of the plumbing, the state........etc.

You wouldn't be a tiler if you didn't moan about the state of what you have to tile too.. Tilers are well known for being twisty gits..:lol:..
 
CORNISH YOU MAY WELL BE SEASONAL AS WELL

its certainly something i suffer from badly is sad

eat greens tonnes of them,lots of light,an sad box is expensive and have honestly never tried bur is meant to be good

we never stop learning hugo,its a learning curve for us all stick in:thumbsup:
 
Hugo, lots of good advice above. I agree with a lot of it.

The one thing I'll add to the mix for you to consider is:

......get a helper...a good one...pay him well and teach him to do the things you need for him to do to make your life on the job easier. If you make money off of his labor, then all the better.


I can't emphasize this enough. This work that we do is hard, hard on the body and sometimes hard on the emotions. Having someone to count on will pay dividends that you can't imagine right now.

I used to do it all and nearly killed myself because of it (or so it seemed at the time). Now I have one guy that has been with me for more than 7 years, another that's been with me for about 3 years. We have another guy that has been with us for about 6 months. He's not going to be with the company after we finish the big job we're on now. He's not working out the way I had hoped when I hired him.

But the other two? I'm the first to admit that I couldn't do it without them. I tell them that. And take care of them. And work is easier because of it.

BTW, even with what I have stated above, I still get down and aggravated like crazy. But that goes with the territory if you care about what you do.
 
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Once again. thank you all.

1) I have decided that I will probably find it hard to carry on without some sort of training. I've reached a point where I feel that I need this to improve now. The time is probably right to do something about it. I have an offer of working with someone here, which is great. I would to combine this with training of some sort. It looks very easy to lay up tiles etc but in actual fact it isn't. This website is great for the odd question but it's the approach and technique that I think I need to learn. An NVQ accredited course should baseline this for me. For example, you learn to drive via tuition and practise, and hopefully that culminates in you passing your test. However if I wanted to know what a roadsign meant I could either look it up or ask and I would find out that way. It's the same with tiling. I can ask about which trowel to use for mosaics, large format etc, but you can't teach me technique over the internet!

2) Being multi skilled/multi trade is not in itself a major problem for me. I put my hand to block laying, plumbing, some electrical work that I can do legally and a handful of other areas incluing fascia boards etc. I do admit though that sometimes jobs do take longer as I am not specialising in one trade. However down in my neck of the woods a lot of people are in my position. Not because they choose to be but because there isn't always the work out there to be too specialised in one area.

The reason the tiling is fustrating me at the moment is because it is the finished article. It is on show. I've managed to use the right adhesives etc for the job and, although I've not grouted it yet, the job looks pretty good but not perfect. Block laying (I rebuilt a garden wall recently and am soon to render it) is great. You can practise on technique, skill etc to get the blocks straight, but if you mess it up you know that it will be covered by the render. The main proviso is that the bond between the blocks is sufficient, and that they are straight enough to serve the purpose of the wall.

3) One of you reckoned I was a good builder. Thank you for the complement. I'm writing this whilst looking at our kitchen/utility room that I renovated pretty much single handed. Both rooms are in the basement of our house. The utility room was not there before I started. When I say it wasn't there, I mean that I actually excavated it out of the ground, underpinning the house at the same time. It has been passed by the building inspector and there has been no movement in the house whatsoever. Oh, and the whole basement is bone dry despite the wonderful weather we have. In case you're wondering why I did this, it's because I wanted to, it gives us more room and the excavations have actually drastically improved the rest of the house by eliminating damp on the floor above. However there is only so much concrete you can stare at without going mental! :LOL:

Having achieved that and other projects, I do get very fustrated when I can't tile to my satisfaction.

4) If I stay multi trade, I will never be as quick at tiling as I would be if I just did tiling. But I wouldn't want to just do tiling as I enjoy other things like Fascia board replacement (I did 2 of these last year and have at least one pencelled in this year). I like variety - maybe that's just me. Also I ten to do a lot of work for the same people. Late last year I was doing fascia boards and had one days work to do. I knew it was going to rain on one day in the week so I fitted a towel rail for the client instead.

So, I need to look at the prices of local courses, and contact Steve to sort something out. Steve, if you need the odd plumbing job whilst I'm with you, I'll bring that toolbox as well 😉
 
i have changed my reply on this..

best of luck cornish what ever you decision....hope everything works out the way you want it too

all the best
ed
 
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Do whatever is needed cornish, only you knows what's best for the long haul.
You have plenty of trades by the sounds, I'm a fully qualified wood machinist myself and could use any machine to plane,shape,cut and mould timber !
I found working to tenths of millimeters in timber first, then tiling to mm was great.
I also spent 6 months with a great tiler which set me up nicely more so than the course i done ! fact.
Good luck cornish, i only specialize in tiling now and refuse other work.
 
When I do the course and/or work with someone else, I may end up just tiling if I like it that much and can get the work - who knows 😉

And whilst I'm here, can anyone recommend courses near me please?

Plymouth, Exeter etc would be good. City College at Plymouth do one, can anyone comment on it please?

....or even a good tiling manual so I can read it and work out where I've been going wrong?

Thanks
 
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cornish you have to ask yourself what you enjoy doing most .when you wake up in the morning and you dread the thought of bricking a wall up is that what you want.The tiling part pretty much covers a whole bathroom with 4 walls ,from wall prep to using correct materials ,then the tiling .
i always prefer to tile wallsi have prepped because i know theyre plumb and square and you can also charge for the prep work having the confidence that your walls youve prepped are gonna be easy to tile.preparation is the key for easy tiling.
 
looks like you have made your choice cornish best for the future

WEll, yes, I've made my decision. It all depends if I can actually go through with it. I've got a bit of a lull in the new year which isn't a bad thing. I may be able to find and attend that course. In any case I'll follow up that offer from Steve. I'd be foolish not to.

Also, I actually think that some kind of structured training in tiling will also help towards other work. It's amaizing how skills I've picked up on one trade help another.
 
WEll, yes, I've made my decision. It all depends if I can actually go through with it. I've got a bit of a lull in the new year which isn't a bad thing. I may be able to find and attend that course. In any case I'll follow up that offer from Steve. I'd be foolish not to.

Also, I actually think that some kind of structured training in tiling will also help towards other work. It's amaizing how skills I've picked up on one trade help another.

i've noted that as well.
 
At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what you did to make it through.
if you work to live that is.
If you live to work, however, that is another matter entirely.
 
At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what you did to make it through.
if you work to live that is.
If you live to work, however, that is another matter entirely.

Not quite sure where you're coming from with that one, but....

I live to enjoy life.

Work is part of it, so you could say I live to work. Maybe that's why I get fustrated when I know I could do better but I just seem to be hitting a brick wall.

One of the reasons I enjoy multi skill is that I am renovating a property at the moment. I wouldn't want to just give up all but one trade. But i do think I should concentrate on improving in at least one trade. Tiling seems to be the one I find most interesting.
 
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Not quite sure where you're coming from with that one, but....

I live to enjoy life.

Work is part of it, so you could say I live to work. Maybe that's why I get fustrated when I know I could do better but I just seem to be hitting a brick wall.

One of the reasons I enjoy multi skill is that I am renovating a property at the moment. I wouldn't want to just give up all but one trade. But i do think I should concentrate on improving in at least one trade. Tiling seems to be the one I find most interesting.

I get a day off because of a huge blizzard so I am being philosophical.
Do you live to work or work to live?
As in why do we exist......to labor,.....or, to live.?
That opens a lot of doors for many discussions not really relevant to this thread.

Personally I work to live as that is what is required of me to be here and keep body and soul together and I found I have some aptitude for tiling and stone work and enjoyed it, hence i pursue it for both capital reasons and personal aesthetics.

But really, does it matter what career one chose at the beginning of their life, once they reach the later parts of it?
I have listened to many older folks who have finished their run of work, and what I have gathered is that it really doesn't matter what row you choose to work as it merely paid your passage.
The point is, did you learn things of importance in the process.
 
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A work life balance is important, which is why, saying I live to work, on reflection is a little extreme.

On the whole I enjoy what I do. I've just put together a quote to replace a ceiling that I hope I will get. I'm going to get someone else to help me with the skimming as ceilings are not really my thing. Walls are not a major problem for me, but my standard of plastering isn't as good as his. He has expressed an interest in being involved. That is his only trade, but he is good at it.

Knowing that he will be along when I need him so that we can work together on the skimming will help me enjoy it. However if I were doing the prep and boarding out thinking that I'm going to have to skim it myself, I wouldn' t enjoy the bits I could do on my own.

Instead I have added an element for his time, which will ensure that I will actually make a few quid on hiring him, so that may be the work to live element.
 
Hugo, My offer still stands when your ready nearer the time just give me a call!
I also multi task and while this is a good thing as you make the job last longer, and you dont need so many customers threw out the year and everything should be correct for the next bit to follow on as you have done it yourself.
The downside to multi tasking as you know is that you spend alot of time in one place which can get you down, and if you work on your own you struggle as some of it is a two man job. You then have made the work hard on yourself and at the end off the day on some occasions you cant see that you have moved forward.
Then you try to make up for it the next day and you then hit a snag and it slows you down again, This al makes for a job that is sometimes sole destroying.
While you are multi tasking you find that you are quick at some things and not so quick at others and you find you could be blocking for 2 months and then tiling for 1 week and plasterboarding for 2 days and so on!
I only multi task in everything to do with tiling! ie plastering/plasterboarding/screeding etc. I dont go off block laying perticularily for a month or so, everything i do leads upto the main job i came to do and thats tiling! so i am tiling more often then anything else. I dont just go off and do say screeding!(unless its for friends/family or if i had no work etc)(But i dont do plumbing or electrics!!)
So you dont have to give up anything just put it all into one job(bathroom renovation etc)
You can hire in help as and when needed or even sub a bit out if you need too. but the job would still be in your hands and you would be in control off what was happening etc. This suits some people and not others.

To get more knowledge/experience you could hire in a reputable tiler and see how he/she goes about things or even work for another tiler labouring.

Your question about courses in plymouth. I know they do them at plymouth colledge but dont know what there like, but the nvq assessor which use to cover plymouth has recently started up teaching in exeter i did my nvq2 with him for the cscs card he is old school and if you pm me i will pass on his number but i dont know what the tiling course is like!

All that said the way to get better at tiling is experience the more you do the more experience you get! training will defo help but it wont teach you everything! And i bet every tiler is still learning things now and again.

steve...
 

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