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Kia tiling
Got a 20 m2 kitchen ta do wiv UFH on mixed substrates, thinking about trying these new decoupling/UFH systems. Any thoughts, suppliers etc...
Ditra Heat Or Variopro Systems Anybody Used?
J
Just Rizzle
just been to a demonstration by schulter systems would deff look at there way so quick and easy
I'm using Thermonet vario pro for all my heating jobs.once you've used it you won't go back to sticky matting or fiddly wires.
Guaranteed....
Guaranteed....
C
cam_low
I nearly bought some andy but they have been picked up by schluter on it. probs not going to be around much longer so im wondering where that leaves any warranties, so i just bought the ditra heat !!!
Lee@emctiles
TF
Dont think so Can't see that happening lee
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Thermonet have got the patent for Europe. 😉 nice bit of marketing this though
Sorry progress have the patent.... 🙂
Lee@emctiles
TF
worth a watch for anyone thinking of using this type of Underfloor Heating, certainly a very good alternative for anyone using ditraheat.
C
cbmltd
This setup looks great,
I'm using warmup and its a pain in the neck at times,anyone know the cost and any links to buy. Cheers
I'm using warmup and its a pain in the neck at times,anyone know the cost and any links to buy. Cheers
Who are they?
W
White Room
Looks pretty much like Ditra Heat, Dural used there decoupling matting which was exactly like Ditra but a different colur so had to change the design.
Lee@emctiles
TF
@andy tiler probably know more than me ashes using the Variopro and it was he who first introduced me to it. Yes, there are similarities with Ditra Heat, however Vario pro marketing states "The original revolutionary patented syster combining electric ufh with a uncoupling, crack isolation and waterproofing membrane"
T
Tile Shop
This may not be 100% accurate, but the true story between these two goes along the lines of......
A bloke in italy designed it, got it patented, took it to Schluter and they said "That'll never take off" and sent him packing. As soon as his back was turned, Schluter thought "well maybe????" and started to produce it as Ditra Heat.
But after being rejected the little italian fella took his idea to another German company who makes the wires for the Thermonet systems. They bought the idea and got Thermonet to market it as Variopro using the original patent. Following a dispute and a court case or two, Schluter had to change the design of the matting slightly. They had to change something like the shape, height or indent of the noggins that the wire feeds between, just so that the two systems weren't identical.
So although Schluter made it first, the original design belongs to the Thermonet group.
A bloke in italy designed it, got it patented, took it to Schluter and they said "That'll never take off" and sent him packing. As soon as his back was turned, Schluter thought "well maybe????" and started to produce it as Ditra Heat.
But after being rejected the little italian fella took his idea to another German company who makes the wires for the Thermonet systems. They bought the idea and got Thermonet to market it as Variopro using the original patent. Following a dispute and a court case or two, Schluter had to change the design of the matting slightly. They had to change something like the shape, height or indent of the noggins that the wire feeds between, just so that the two systems weren't identical.
So although Schluter made it first, the original design belongs to the Thermonet group.
Lee@emctiles
TF
there is certainly a growing interest, especially if you do some price comparisons 😉
O
Old Mod
Do u stock the thermonet then Lee@TileTown?
Is there a way I can get a price list please?
Cheers
Marc.
Stu Lilley
TF
I would use ditra heat all day long and the new ditra heat TB raises the game agin above the others
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456Wes
Hey guys, I know i'm a little late to the party on this one but have a quick question regarding Vario pro.
Is the Vario Pro cable the same as the Vario cable in terms of the cable size i.e around 3.5mm? If so, is there anything stopping us using a different brand of heating cable of the same size along with the Vario ProMat Heating & Uncoupling Membrane?
This is purely a question centered around cost.
Thoughts?
Is the Vario Pro cable the same as the Vario cable in terms of the cable size i.e around 3.5mm? If so, is there anything stopping us using a different brand of heating cable of the same size along with the Vario ProMat Heating & Uncoupling Membrane?
This is purely a question centered around cost.
Thoughts?
Stu Lilley
TF
Which ever system you use don't try to substitute a component for a cheaper option ... For the sake of a few quid you kiss you gaurentee goodbye
Lee@emctiles
TF
Tbh Stu nailed the answer straight away, id just use the Vario Pro cable, the cables a really good price.
Stu Lilley
TF
Thx Lee
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456Wes
Thanks Guys - Took your advice and ordered the Vario Pro wire and mat.
merlecollins
TF
Old thread i know, but i'm looking into using this system for a job at home.
Price difference between Ditra Heat and the Uheat alternative (which looks incredibly like Vario Pro) is mahoosive.!
Any up to date comments on the two systems?
I got caught out with the Durabase nightmare a few years back and dont want to fall foul of a similar problem with a matting that isnt Ditra....
Price difference between Ditra Heat and the Uheat alternative (which looks incredibly like Vario Pro) is mahoosive.!
Any up to date comments on the two systems?
I got caught out with the Durabase nightmare a few years back and dont want to fall foul of a similar problem with a matting that isnt Ditra....
I have used both ditra and varipro they are great systems and not much to chose from except price. the smaller Ditra kits come with small pieces of mat which is a bit of a pain.
I'm currently putting the varipro down in my kitchen (supplied by tile town at a very good price thanks Lee). the only gripe I have is that the edges have a tendency to pop up so have to be weighted until adhesive grabs.
I'm currently putting the varipro down in my kitchen (supplied by tile town at a very good price thanks Lee). the only gripe I have is that the edges have a tendency to pop up so have to be weighted until adhesive grabs.
merlecollins
TF
O
Old Mod
Schluter now roll their mat the other way around to prevent that!!
Well at least, they do in the states.
Not sure if they do the same here yet.
Our HeatBase system is very simular to Variopro but has a 10w/m Cable instead of there 12w/m cable.
Same install method as others systems, either directly on top of the existing sub floor or down on to a tile backerboard, cable then inserted at either two or three spaces, then tiled on.
If you've found a price somewhere else for an exact same product then give us a call and we'll be happy to match it, but remember to check out the Tilers Arms where we can offer extra discount to yourself.
Same install method as others systems, either directly on top of the existing sub floor or down on to a tile backerboard, cable then inserted at either two or three spaces, then tiled on.
If you've found a price somewhere else for an exact same product then give us a call and we'll be happy to match it, but remember to check out the Tilers Arms where we can offer extra discount to yourself.
merlecollins
TF
Cheers Jake😉
Ive already spoken with Neil this mornng who is on the case as always
I've used both, so much quicker and easier, only problem is the cost, it can be a bit difficult convincing a customer they the extra for this system is worth the extra cost over more traditional mat systems, as it is also decoupler and cuts out the layering then actually doesn't affect the end price hugely. Have had a couple of reasoned debates with customers on the issue but it is a great system
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