fast track course for electrics in bathrooms etc

[kilty55]

hey all,i do spotlights in a lot of bathrooms we do and have watched the sparks doing it...seems quite simple if i knew how to properly,is there a fast track course that gives me a qualification to deal with thiings like spots etc on my installations? maybe a 10 or 15 day course does anyone know what the regs are?

just subbies out 45 spots on one job and was annoyed at the money the sparks wanted for doing the job which in the end took 7 hours,one wanted 1200 labour :yikes:so im looking to do it myself any help appreciated

 

[DHTiling]

You need part P ELECSA - Part P

 

[kilty55]

cheers dave

 

[DHTiling]

No probs... if you extend to a wiring circuit then Part P takes over..

 

[Scott]

There are other ways too, NIC also do courses.
NICEIC | Contractor | Schemes | What is the DIS Scheme?

I had heard that they were doing away with a lot og the legislation to do with part P but dont know if there is any truth in it.

Kilty I cut the lamps and fan in, fit the isolator etc and run cables then just get sparks to 2nd fix. They dont like it but hey its all work

 

[kilty55]

good idea scottley

 

[Scott]

Naturally i charge the bulk for my bit too

 

[Slowly Learning]

I am Elecsa Part P registered and although it great to be able to do any wiring on a bathroom refit the headaches it can cause you meeting regs etc are head melting. Trying to explain that they now need an RCD for the new shower or spot lights and this will cost x amount or this need to be sorted as it doesnt comply to regs you can see there eyes rolling back! Also cost of must have testing meter is over £500 minimum and to join NIC etc is £300 odd a year, wish some one had tod me all this before I got involved with electrical work! But it does have its good points im just struggling to think of them at the moment

 

[kilty55]

where did you learn slowly? did you do a course?

 

[Dan]

Checkout our sparky forum mate, Electricians Forum | Electrical Advice Forum | An electrical forum for electricians in the UK | Electricians Forum, we have discounts on electrical equipment and a couple of training centres that can help.

 

[Slowly Learning]

I went to Able Skills in Dartford. Alot to take in and remember but the forum Dan mentions is a top referance point the boys on there have helped me out loads.

 

[Scott]

I must admit in all the bathrooms ive done in the last 2 years 95% of them have had to have a new consumer as they werent up to date. However, the eye rolling stops when you give the customer the info they can read for themselves on the web.

 

[salmonfisher]

dont need part p in scotland

You need part P ELECSA - Part P

 

[kilty55]

dont need part p in scotland

what do i need salmon?

 

[Scott]

Bathrooms and kitchens are deemed special areas so need a cert as do downlights in any location. Dunno about Scotland though

 

[Stewart]

Just get a set price from a reliable spark that wants to do your work, then build it into your price, plus you markup. I have a set price for all the usual things that go into a bathroom and do quite well out of it.

If you start doing everything, then you start putting more pressure on yourself, jobs take longer and you don't really make any more money.

Get yourself a good reliable squad, imo it's the best way.

 

[cornish_crofter]

Dave's right - you need to be Part P approved installer.

That doesn't mean to say you need to be a fully trained electrician or such like though.

Best thing if you want to learn more is to do the 17th edition course at your local tech college. A basic understanding of domestic installations helps, but you could quickly gleen this from various references on the net etc.

Then if you want to take it further, try and find a good C and G 2391 course. This will take you to the next level of inspection and test. It won't turn you into an installer overnight but the inspection and test element will hep you to understand what is expected in terms of good practice etc.

You will also understand the level of paperwork that is needed etc.

Having said that, there is much to be said for hiring someone to come in work alongside you. They take responsibility for the installation alterations, leaving you to get on with what you do best.

 

[tfs]

Hey guys,

Looked into this previously.

Part P is a great route to go but, for us guys in Scotland it is not a recognised qualification as it has not yet been enforced here.

To the best of my knowledge we need to go down the route of 17th Edition and inspection and testing etc and then register with a trade body prior to being in anyway qialified. I think Part P would give you the knowledge required to pass the required tests to register with a certified body.

There is ofcourse the exception as you can carry out minor work like raplacing sockets and light fittings etc. You cant do works such as new circuits and some work in bathroom etc

 

[salmonfisher]

(Dave's right - you need to be Part P approved installer)

Part P to Building Regulations - The IET

you can still do notafiable work in england and wales (diy) without being part p registered part, p registered only means that they can self certify there work without involving building control before work comenses see above link Q10/3 (DIY electrical work is not to be encouraged, however where a householder wishes to carry out electrical work they must notify building control before commencing work. Building control will arrange for the work to be, inspected and tested at various stages and will charge a fee to cover any costs incurred)
This only applies in England and Wales Scotland has always had Buildings Standards (Scotland) Regulations covering improvements and as long as its not involved with structural work its not notifiable

 

[Scott]

Its £150 for an inspection in Bedfordshire more than likely plus vat!

 

[Smudger]

where did you learn slowly? did you do a course?

Did my Part P with OLCI (freebie as part of my plumbing qual). Took a week and was pretty intensive as a lot to cover and test. While its good to be able to do it I agree with SlowlyLearning as there is a fairly hefty initial layout on multimeter and scheme mebership. Been asked to install saniflo & do ufh so don't know whether to sign up with i.e. Napit or Elecsa or call a sparky.

 

[bathroomboy]

Agree with all the above, I have Disq and 17th edition but wonder at times if it is worth the hassle, a complete pain in the butt.