Giving new tilers false hope?

[DevonR]

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I don't know why you warrant replies on posts like this to be honest.
The guy comes on knows nothing of any members and then goes on to critisise the forum and all the hard work and effort that goes into it's maintenance. What a joke.
The top and bottom of this is, as per usual that the "time served" are losing work to newbies and don't like it. For too long as with many other trades these time served have been able to command premium rates and monopolise the market. What a shame. There's nothing wrong with a bit of competition.
Beleive me I have seen some alleged time served work and it's to say the least amusing. Using grout where they can't be bothered to cut round (or remove) items such as cupboard plinths. Not using spacers, no doubt there for newbies too, not to mention keeping a nice line. Wonky grout does not look nice. I could go on if you like. And layout...layout some of it is laughable, do they know BS layout techniques?
When you've bothered to browse through the gallery or seen some work first hand then please come back and point out what has been done wrong and offer us some of your experience and knowledge to learn from but until then at least have some respect for the forum and it's members, or are they taking too much of your custom from you?

 

[DHTiling]

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hear, hear . plus if he's been tiling 20 yrs he should be well established like myself so no amount of newcomers should affect his regular work.

 

[GazLC81]

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nobody can learn to tile in two weeks i don't care what you say you ask other tilers who have been tiling years . the people they are tiling for don't no any better so they get away with it the person running this web site should no better if he,s a pro tiler

Who is this guy? The World authority on tiling? :icon8:

 

[GazTech]

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Nothing to say now Jonesy???:wink_smile:

 

[Varley]

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I thought this post might arouse some interest LMAO

 

[DevonR]

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hear, hear . plus if he's been tiling 20 yrs he should be well established like myself so no amount of newcomers should affect his regular work.

Exactly Dave.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Any tradesman worth his salt has a business built on trust, excellent service and recommendations. Not one Pole, 4 day tiler or anyone else for that matter will change that or take away his genuine business.
Sure there are folk who want a cheap job who end up going driving the business down but you should be confident enough to walk away from this work. I would and I'm only just setting out in the tiling world.
Theres room for us all to have a nice life out of tiling why should it only be reserved for the 20 years plus club? And some time served want to look at why they loose business. Because they become complaicent. They expect to get a job and then perform a sub standard level of workmanship, because they can there 20 years plus don't you know.
I swear to god you should see my mates kitchen. From a highly recommended established tiler. 3.5 sqm splashback, £400+ materials in ceramic. Little off cuts of tiles bodged in gaps, grout used where rounded plinthes left a corner triangle missing, no spacers and no straight lines anywhere, poorly marked out and the list goes on. Horrendous!

 

[jonesy7]

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muppet

 

[Fekin]

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That was really your chance to argue your point.

 

[BrhTiling]

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muppet

Why don't you put a constructive argument across rather than just calling all us newbie tilers muppets?

I don't have the 'time served' experience I admit, but I still work to a high standard and have had no complaints and plenty of praise.... Tiling isn't rocket science and most of the work is done before you even start laying tiles... Marking out, laying out.. surface prep.. etc etc...

I think you will also find most new tilers will just turn down work they can't complete to a high standard... where as a lot of 'time served' guys will just charge the earth and do a sloppy job!

 

[DevonR]

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muppet

A well rounded argument offered there.

 

[Dan]

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I think *some* of the many short course-type training centres are doing well.

And there are many centres now applying for the NVQ ([DLMURL="http://www.ableskills.co.uk/tiling-nvq.htm"]example[/DLMURL]) and started out doing short courses non qualification related.

I think that the tilers coming from them can be far better than some of the college colleges I have known of. Although some of the colleges are excellent and are always on the TTA website for winning awards and such.

I feel what makes the industry as a whole, as some of all the types of tilers. And I think the ones we need less of are the moaning old ones to be honest (joke)

 

[alberttrotter1]

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Dear forum,
As a newbie, Its disheartning to hear that there are tilers out there that sadly believe that they are that elite that no-one else can join in (Its my ball-springs to mid).
I completed a 4 week course 1 month ago, Im now doing the floor in my own place in Spain, which some MUPPET wanted to charge me the same as what it cost for my course.
I ask for any person reading this to work out what i've done wrong by learning only a few of the skills required to work in this exciting department of the skills trade with a fantastic oppurtunity to learn more.
My 1 and only paying job (so far) was to complete a small section of a splashback that a so called 20yr+ experienced/time done tiler could'nt be arsed to finish and he poorly attempted to grout the join between the tiles and worktop????. I left the ladies house with a couple of bob in my pocket, A brilliant experience from doing my "1st job" and i'm currently in the number 1 slot to do her full bathroom and her mums toilet.

I (personnally) have found this "Forum" and the advice i have received to be priceless and i very much look forward to using it in the long future to come.
FORUM users - Keep up the great work.
Jonesy7 - Shame on you.

 

[GazLC81]

a GOOD Tiler needs to be neither time served, or new to the trade and full of enthusiasm. A GOOD tiler is somebody who takes pride in there work and WANTS to do a good job. Not someone who wants to make a quick buck.

When I undertake a job I want to walk away confident that I have done a good job and that the customer is happy. I am new to the trade but I know I do a good job so if i'm a muppet then fine!

I'm proud of it!

 

[formula one]

dan can we have a muppets? room only jokeing

 

[BrhTiling]

a GOOD Tiler needs to be neither time served, or new to the trade and full of enthusiasm. A GOOD tiler is somebody who takes pride in there work and WANTS to do a good job. Not someone who wants to make a quick buck.

This is what I was trying to get at, as long as the customer is happy and you know what you have done will last (IE: not fall off the wall in 2 weeks), then I don't see why it matters if you are time served.

Honest days work for an honest days pay... IMO a some experienced tradesmen expect the pay without the work!