Has anyone used this before?

[John Benton]

As the title says. Customer has asked me if I could quote for tiling kitchen/diner.

He's a distance away from me so I asked him to send photos of existing floor to see what was down already.

This is the existing floor looking from underneath the units, so chipboard floor on joists, what looks like mesh with mortar/adhesive and then ceramic tile on top.

He had flood water in the house about 7 years ago, none of the tiles de-bonded but a few areas of grout have popped a bit. Had structural engineer out to say that joists etc. are ok.

Just wondered if anybody has used this method or removed tiles that have been fixed this way.

 

[widler]

Looks to me like someone has laid EML in the addy while tiling john to make it stronger on the wood floor ,

 

[Brian the Tile]

Used to do it that way years ago ,sand and cement fixing on wooden floors

 

[John Benton]

It was done about 10 years ago apparently. Do you know how easy it will be to remove and potentially how much damage will it do to the chipboard?

 

[Time's Ran Out]

They look like an extruded terracotta type tile.
As Brian the tile many moons ago in a not too distant past we would lay a waterproof building paper over wood (usually t&g) then fix chicken mesh to the surface and overscreed with a sand and cement mortar. The tiles were then fix into this semi dry mix with a cement slurry.
Must be at least 30 years since I've had the pleasure of this method but that's not to say its not still done.
No crack mats, no flexible adhesives, no problems!
Tile on top if you don't want to take them up or be prepared to fill a skip and overboard, crack mat and flexible addy.
Price it well as you always do.

 

[Brian the Tile]

I would imagine that the full lot will come up with the tile,the mesh may have been stapled to the floor ,hard to tell really of the damage to sub floor untill you stsrtnto lift it i would say

 

[Brian the Tile]

Sorry ,start to lift it,was meant to say

 

[Mr Tiler]

is the mesh metal? if its blue plastic it looks like plastic ply n&c

 

[Mr Tiler]

is the mesh metal? if its blue plastic it looks like plastic ply n&c

sorry didnt read propperly, 10 years ago i doubt it was that product

 

[Taylormade]

It's a product called expamet ie expanded metal mesh. It was used some years ago laid straight onto timber floors. Two types either stainless (expensive!) or galvanised. Normally tacked down with horse shoe nails as I call them. Then standard concrete adhesive. If sub floor was tongue and groove it generally worked. If sub floor was chipboard then it was a no no. Pig of a job to take up.

 

[John Benton]

It's a product called expamet ie expanded metal mesh. It was used some years ago laid straight onto timber floors. Two types either stainless (expensive!) or galvanised. Normally tacked down with horse shoe nails as I call them. Then standard concrete adhesive. If sub floor was tongue and groove it generally worked. If sub floor was chipboard then it was a no no. Pig of a job to take up.

Definitely directly onto chipboard so chances are it could damage it badly enough to replace floor.

 

[Taylormade]

You won't know until you take it up but prep for worst case scenario ie to replace the floor. Also if it's been water damaged it may well need replacing anyway.

 

[afright]

Used to do it that way years ago ,sand and cement fixing on wooden floors

Same as Brian,that was the only way to tile onto wooden floors in the dark ages.

 

[Just Rizzle]

tiling today is so so easy compaired to the past. THANK GOD. yes chicken wire and tin snips ,semi dry screeds and cement slerry to stick them down after over night soak in a bath of water. todays tillers have it so easy

 

[nybor62]

many moons ago since i used that method

 

[afright]

Will say,that tiling with Sand and Cement your trowels stayed a lot cleaner.

 

[Andy Allen]

them were the days. ..one pair of overalls between ten of us......walk twenty miles to work each day carrying ten m2 of tiles and kit in a wheelbarrow.....with a flat tyre. .....you don't know how good you lot got it....lol

 

[Time's Ran Out]

them were the days. ..one pair of overalls between ten of us......walk twenty miles to work each day carrying ten m2 of tiles and kit in a wheelbarrow.....with a flat tyre. .....you don't know how good you lot got it....lol

You had it easy - wheelbarrow/overalls/only 10 m2 of tiles/ 20miles and a flat tyre - we had to work in the only clothes we had, run the 50 miles to the job pushing a cart with 20 sq yards of quarry tiles and all the sand/cement for a days work! And we never complained.

 

[afright]

Wonder if some of the younger tilers know what a tile beater was or the art of backing a tile,lol.

 

[Brian the Tile]

Aye and driers when you where grouting and no washboys then ,soaking the tiles in a forty gallon drum for the walls and having to break the ice in the morn to get em out,and then up the ladders to pass them through the window,tiling today easy

 

[Brian the Tile]

My boss wouldn't even buy a mixer,he used to say he had one walks talks and brews up , (me), he was a hard taskmaster and also a right b.....d,taught me a lot but a nasty man,if he got out of the wrong side of the bed everybody had to suffer

 

[Brian the Tile]

He wouldnt buy jollys (mitres) i ihad to back edge the tiles with pin hammer and rub them down

 

[afright]

My old boss made us clean the floors with wet sawdust he would go berserk if he caught you washing of with a sponge,he said using a sponge recesses the joints,then again he would let you swab the floor with an old towel.

 

[Time's Ran Out]

These Month Python replies need to be in their own thread!
Too good to be lost in here.

 

[White Room]

And call it "The Old Gits"