How do I fix this mess?

[Meurig]

Our shower has been dripping for about six months, since we changed the boiler to a combi. This has led to some dripping under the bath (I think a dodgy seal around the plug hole) and is generally causing problems. So on the weekend I put in some isolation valves and removed the shower - with a view to replacing it. No more shower = no more drip I'm now running a beast of a dehumidifier (see photo5) to dry up under the bath while I work out how to fit the new mixer shower I bought...

Meanwhile, the reason I'm here: I noticed some tiles were loose on the side wall. I've removed a bunch of loose tiles to expose a damp plastered wall. (see photo1) I'm guessing the wall got wet because the tiles grouting failed between the tiles. I think the reason for this is the lack of any gap between the tiles (crowding) so hardly any grout could be used (see photo4). The good news is that the dehumidifier is doing it's job, should be dry by morning (see photo2).

The whole bathroom will be re-done in about a year, so how do I fix this mess cheaply and easily? It doesn't need to look great, but does need to be waterproof.

Do I just scrape off what I can, prep the plaster in some way, then stick the tiles back on? Since I'm leaving some tiles with no gap, will it be okay for a year or so if I put the tiles back on with no gap and just grout as best as I can?

How do I prep the wall? What adhesive do I use? I've never tiled before but I figure this is a good time to learn as it's only got to be "good enough" not perfect. I don't really want to spend loads for what will be little more than a temporary fix.



Any and all feedback would be gratefully received!

 

[Andy Allen]

might pay you to get some of those water proof panels for a temporary fix..

 

[Alan.P]

I'm with Andy, I wouldn't want to tile again onto that, if it were my house I would strip off the rest of the tiles for safety sake, you don't want them coming down on anyone. Once stripped back either overboard with panels or get a wrap around shower curtain, cheap fix until it's done right, but safety first.

 

[AliGage]

Agreed.

Remove all the tiles. And get 3 packs of something like this:

http://m.diy.com/mt/www.diy.com/nav...976786?skuId=10397491&tab=rev&un_jtt_redirect

Cost will be around £150. You'll want a couple of tubes of "no nail" or something similar and the same of silicone. Fit the panels vertically, glue into place and seal all around with silicone.

 

[Bubblecraft]

Agree with all the guys above. It would be a costly fix to tile it without damage happening again. Paneling would be the way to go.

 

[Meurig]

Sounds like a unanimous vote then!

Thanks for all the replies guys, I didn't even know those panels existed.

Especially thanks to AliGage cause without a link I didn't really know what you were talking about

Guess my first experiments in tiling will have to wait for another job...

 

[AliGage]

More than welcome.

If you have a plastics supplier near you it would be much cheaper. But either way, its the cheapest way to temporarily sort it out and to be honest you can get some really nice designs if you hunt the net.

 

[Time's Ran Out]

If the shower has been dripping for 6 months and you've just sorted it now I'd suggest you get the job done now and right because any temporary measure now will no doubt last you years!
As for waterproof panels - not an alternative a real Tiler would suggest!

 

[Andy Allen]

Guess I'm not a real tiler then......lol

 

[Meurig]

Spent the morning stripping the rest of the tiles (only a few stubborn ones left) then went to B&Q this afternoon.

The sales assistant was utterly unhelpful, swearing blind they didn't stock it (twice). Despite this we eventually located the PVC cladding in the timber section, next to the wood cladding.

While a helpful suggestion, it turns out that PVC cladding is U.G.L.Y.!!!

So, any other suggestions?

Right now we're considering either something called splashwall (sorry, it seems I can't post URLs).

Or buying some coloured acrylic sheet and both sticking and screwing to the wall (as I've heard nothing sticks too well to acrylic).

Alternative suggestions welcomed!

P.S. It's taken 6 months to fix the leaky shower because we only bought the place six months ago and there have been bigger problems to sort out. This really is only going to be a temporary measure as we want to change the layout of the bathroom at some point in the next year. But I guess although temporary, I can't live with UPVC...

 

[padtheplumber]

If you're after plastic panelling I can recommend www.ipsluk.co.uk I've used them a few times for waterproof panels, reasonably priced and a good delivery service

 

[Sean SML Tiling]

Why dont you over board with hardie backer and re tile the wall.

 

[Meurig]

I googled acrylic, seems it's a bad choice as it expands when it'd heated.

Thanks padtheplumber, that link looks good, I'll have a thorough look through!

Smltiling, that's pretty much what I'm thinking now - there must be some way to make the walls sound enough to tile on.




The pictures show to the current state of play. There's around 4 sq m to be covered, one wall is plasterboard (with a chunk missing that I'll replace) while the other is a brick wall, with sand and cement, then plaster all covered in some dodgy tile adhesive.

The plaster-boarded wall I figure is easy, cut out the section I've pulled the tiles off and put up new plasterboard (or hardi backer?) - tile onto that.

The brick wall is less easy - the plaster is (apart from a few spots) sound, but the remaining adhesive is not well bonded to the plaster. Do I scrape off what I can of the adhesive, sand the rest and tile on the plaster? do I screw board up over the plaster and live with that section of wall sticking out a little (how thick is hardi backer?) Or do I try and take off the plaster/sand and cement and put a fresh layer of plaster on - sounds quite tricky to me, but I figure the adhesive will compensate for any imperfections in the plastering.

Or is plastic panelling the way to go? Sticking a big sheet to the wall with some no more nails does seem easier than tiling...

 

[kilty55]

your wasting your money on drying it out,,,buying boards or whatever to finish the wall i would take the opportunity to re do it since its in such a state as it is

 

[Meurig]

your wasting your money on drying it out,,,buying boards or whatever to finish the wall i would take the opportunity to re do it since its in such a state as it is

The trouble is we want to completely re-do the bathroom, move the toilet, replace everything etc. We're just not ready to do that yet. Until then I want something fairly nice, but to DIY so it's not too expensive. It's only got to last for about a year until we're ready to rip it all out and start over. I don't mind spending one or two hundred pounds, even if it is only for a year.

I know it's a tall order: an easy-ish to fit, not too expensive, waterproof surface that doesn't look too awful. But I've got to explore the options: I've already had some great feedback, thanks everyone! Sorry it's taking me a while to reply, I think my posts have to be moderated...

 

[ian158]

Our shower has been dripping for about six months, since we changed the boiler to a combi. This has led to some dripping under the bath (I think a dodgy seal around the plug hole) and is generally causing problems. So on the weekend I put in some isolation valves and removed the shower - with a view to replacing it. No more shower = no more drip I'm now running a beast of a dehumidifier (see photo5) to dry up under the bath while I work out how to fit the new mixer shower I bought...

Meanwhile, the reason I'm here: I noticed some tiles were loose on the side wall. I've removed a bunch of loose tiles to expose a damp plastered wall. (see photo1) I'm guessing the wall got wet because the tiles grouting failed between the tiles. I think the reason for this is the lack of any gap between the tiles (crowding) so hardly any grout could be used (see photo4). The good news is that the dehumidifier is doing it's job, should be dry by morning (see photo2).

The whole bathroom will be re-done in about a year, so how do I fix this mess cheaply and easily? It doesn't need to look great, but does need to be waterproof.

Do I just scrape off what I can, prep the plaster in some way, then stick the tiles back on? Since I'm leaving some tiles with no gap, will it be okay for a year or so if I put the tiles back on with no gap and just grout as best as I can?

How do I prep the wall? What adhesive do I use? I've never tiled before but I figure this is a good time to learn as it's only got to be "good enough" not perfect. I don't really want to spend loads for what will be little more than a temporary fix.

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Any and all feedback would be gratefully received!

why wait a year or spend of a temporary fix..if you can't afford it now..borrow the money..the amount you spend on a temp fix with out way the interest on the payments won't it ?..rates are so low now..apart from that it may get worse not better!

 

[ian158]

Why dont you over board with hardie backer and re tile the wall.

Overboard on wet rotten plasterboard...there £4.50 a sheet in wickes if you buy 5 or more...come on just to do it right..your 1/2 way there anyway..just carry on..you can get showered down the local swimming baths while your doing it ?

 

[AliGage]

I think people need to read the original post again.

 

[ian158]

He/she came for advice..that's what they are getting are they not ?...

 

[AliGage]

Oh yep Ian. Go and get a loan!? Possibly the most ridiculous post I've read on this forum to date. Including Mr T's posts.

 

[ian158]

Oh yep Ian. Go and get a loan!? Possibly the most ridiculous post I've read on this forum to date. Including Mr T's posts.

oh you can be so negative at times...it doesn't make economic sense to spend money on a dehumidifier...panels etc... or a temp fix for a year..either way having your bathroom done is inconvenient wether its now or next year..they're half way there...crack on..and over boarding wet sodden plasterboard is hardly good advice either..its lost its strength....the plaster skim will have had it to..admittdley screw and fix hardi for quickness but just seems mad not to do it right and now.

 

[AliGage]

In your own words the interest on the loan you're suggesting would be the same cost as a temporary fix.

I weigh up the cost of plastic panels to be around £150. He already has a big de-hum there, and the walls are damp not rotten.
But interestingly how much of a loan do you think he will need to do all the work in a new bathroom? Don't think the interest on that figure would compare if im honest.

The key thing the user posted was he wants to save to do the job properly in about a year, but wants to get the area useable. Properly. . . . .in a year. . . . . .

Plastic panels will easily last until then and its an install a diy'er can comfortably do themselves.

I don't think encouraging loans is a good idea. Also not giving a viable and temporary option could lead to the user calling in bob the builder and being back on this forum in a couple of months. What do you say to him then? Should of got a pro in? They can't before it yet and want a proper job in the future when they can.

 

[ian158]

From my understanding it will be a DIY job in a year..and we all have loans mate...it's called a mortgage !...money in interest we will never reap the benefits of..what makes you think he will call in bob the knob...he's already made his first good start by coming on here..and hopefully going for a tiler or one of the very good all rounders...like bubble craft

 

[AliGage]

He can't afford to do it all now.

As i said think some people need to read the original post again

 

[ian158]

There a hole in my bucket dear Liza dear Liza.....