as for getting the rep out ,well if they are anything like bal you wont get far with the complaint ,athough i have only had two minor problems with bal, myself and the customers conserned got letters back that even a top scientist couldn,t even understand on an a 4 sheet of paper,but broken down all it said was that the product was up to bs and the wasnt prepared to help,that,s why i dont use bal anymore ,idiots