level floors and plumbed walls

[mark neville]

level floors and plumed walls, anybody seen these . i no most of our work is preperation. becouse we are the finishing trade, do you think the way jobs are being handed over to us that this is getting worse

 

[quick draw macgraw]

Probably down to all these one week plastering courses and that. I know a lad who done this two years ago and he now has people working for him making a killing but the thing with plastering is it looks great to the customer when he's done nice and smooth but the customer doesn't get his level out when hes done, he just say's looks good then tiler comes in and as you say finishes so has to be flush etc. Thats why he can make good money employing people as plasterers who can get smooth but uneven walls as the customer doesn't see this. The tiler does.

:furious3:

 

[brian c]

level floors and plumed walls, anybody seen these . i no most of our work is preperation. becouse we are the finishing trade, do you think the way jobs are being handed over to us that this is getting worse

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A TILERS DREAM THERE M8,LOL
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YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A TILERS DREAM THERE M8,LOL

ON A JOB NOW,NEW BUILD PORCH,FLOOR WARPED AND WALLS ARE A NIGHTMARE AS THEY ARE BOWED IN THE MIDDLE AND ITS DONE IN BRICK BOND WHAT A FKN NIGHTMARE BTW LADS.:mad2:CUSTOMER IS HAPPY NOW BUT I SHOWED HIM THE GAP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WALL AND HE WAS WELL PI***D OFF.

 

[White Room]

Probably down to all these one week plastering courses and that. I know a lad who done this two years ago and he now has people working for him making a killing but the thing with plastering is it looks great to the customer when he's done nice and smooth but the customer doesn't get his level out when hes done, he just say's looks good then tiler comes in and as you say finishes so has to be flush etc. Thats why he can make good money employing people as plasterers who can get smooth but uneven walls as the customer doesn't see this. The tiler does.

:furious3:

Are we talking about dry lining with a skim or float and set, Cheer's

 

[Proper Job]

yeah your correct mate to many short courses theses day and that goes for most trades, there are plenty of shakin stevens about in the plastering game. I'm not slagging any tilers of on here but these private short courses in tiling i really think are money for old rope if you want to become a pro tiler. It takes years and years.

 

[brian c]

yeah your correct mate to many short courses theses day and that goes for most trades, there are plenty of shakin stevens about in the plastering game. I'm not slagging any tilers of on here but these private short courses in tiling i really think are money for old rope if you want to become a pro tiler. It takes years and years.

oh your not slagging course tilers but thought that you would get a dig in anyway,met your sort before m8 and let me tell you all time served work is not exactly spot on,end of.:mad2: :stupid:

 

[Leatherface]

Sorry -had to have a chuckle to myself - you mention with a bit of derision " One week plastering courses"
HO HO

Half of the people who are one this site are probably " one week tiling course guys"

We all have to start somewhere !! Some will be good - some will not.

As far as floors - if the floor needs self levelling then advise customer - or build in cost for extra adhesive and time.
Same with walls - if walls are that bad - advise re-plastering by a decent plasterer or over-board.
Simple
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oh your not slagging course tilers but thought that you would get a dig in anyway,met your sort before m8 and let me tell you all time served work is not exactly spot on,end of.:mad2: :stupid:

Brian - there a good and bad tradesmen in every trade you can think of.
feel sorry for the guys who are not taught properly - wherever they learn.
Don't feel sorry for guys who have been taught properly and don't apply what they have learned.
Want to chin the guys who don't care !
Envious of the guys who are making a fortune "teaching" people " how to" in 5 days. :lol:

 

[Proper Job]

brain c u got the wrong end of the stick mate here and i have been on a private course. end of

 

[GazTech]

There are good and bad in all trades across the board,we are finishers so we have to work to the bubble,not much of a market for rubber tiles for walls.In Germany tilers will not start work unless the walls are spot on....maybe we should try to achieve this type of standard and have more respect for finishing trades following our work.....as we all know the building trade is not well regulated and a bit of a free for all..I for one liked to charge extra money as compensation for poor prep that prceeded me.....Gaz

 

[grumpygrouter]

There are good and bad in all trades across the board,we are finishers so we have to work to the bubble,not much of a market for rubber tiles for walls.In Germany tilers will not start work unless the walls are spot on....maybe we should try to achieve this type of standard and have more respect for finishing trades following our work.....as we all know the building trade is not well regulated and a bit of a free for all..I for one liked to charge extra money as compensation for poor prep that prceeded me.....Gaz

Me too Gaz. My estimates always state walls are to be ready for tiling, any additional prep will be charged out at an appropriate rate. Even new build strucutres seem to be of poor quality regarding flat and level in my short experience!

Grumpy

 

[Dan]

You know 'the regs' say that your wall tiling should be flat enough to hold a 2 meter straight edge on the wall (might even be three I forget now) and there should be no more than a 3mm gap either in the middle or at one end (it would depend on whether the wall sticks out or bows in).

I don't think I've ever seen a wall before tiled that is that good. Even when I dot and dab plasterboard on walls it takes me some adjusting to get it in the tolerance you should have - and I've rarely seen tiling so flat. Subways and the london underground is flat though the tubes are arched in the main.

 

[mark neville]

ok thank you for all your replies ,i just felt more recent i do more preparation than tiling . one good thing this double,s our work load . when you get on site show the customer there problems , then these are extras and can be charged for .:yes:

 

[White Room]

Dan, The wall's should not deviate 3mm in every 600mm

 

[DHTiling]

It is actually 3mm in 2mtrs...according to bs5385.....

Full guidance is given in British Standard, BS5385 Wall and floor tiling. The following points should be remembered:

1. Background
   • The ideal background is cement:sand rendering
   • Weight restrictions for tiling onto plaster and plasterboard are defined in BS5385:1, i.e.
   • 32 kg/m2on plasterboard, and 20 kg/m2 on plaster
   • The background to receive tiling should be fully cured, dry, clean, sound and nominally
   • flat, such that when checked using a 2m straightedge, any gap under the
   • straightedge should not exceed 3mm.

 

[White Room]

Your right Dave the bs I was looking at was 211 how old is that 1mm in 600mm or 3mm in 1.8m I stand corrected