Licencing how would you expect to get one

[White Room]

Then the most difficult part of this is letting the general public know about it, which could be the toughest call of all...

 

[andy8758]

Most people are aware of the necessary qualifications needed to have electrical and gas work done in their homes, so no one in their right mind would let someone do this type of work who didn't have the right certificates. Having a licence is not just about protecting our trade, but also protecting the general public from inferior workmanship. I for one would be more than happy to pay for a licence to offer even more reassurance to my customers, it would be an investment that could only benefit the trade and the individual businesses.

I am sorry Bri - that reads like the last Conservative/Labour/LibDem manifesto.

Gas Safe does not protect the public - the daughter of the publisher of Future Publishing was killed by carbon monoxide poisoning - a plumber is currently in court on this case. Part P was a licence to provide qualifications to people who have not completed a full electrical training course. We already have the posts here about the CSCS fiasco.

I appreciate your desire to root out the people who complete sub standard work - but licensing will not do that. Its like comparing the theory of Karl Marx with the reality of Stalins Russia - noble theories that get corrupted in practice.

Steer well clear of any licensing scheme introduced by this or any other Government - and please dont encourage them.

 

[Ian]

I am sorry Bri - that reads like the last Conservative/Labour/LibDem manifesto.

Gas Safe does not protect the public - the daughter of the publisher of Future Publishing was killed by carbon monoxide poisoning - a plumber is currently in court on this case. Part P was a licence to provide qualifications to people who have not completed a full electrical training course. We already have the posts here about the CSCS fiasco.

I appreciate your desire to root out the people who complete sub standard work - but licensing will not do that. Its like comparing the theory of Karl Marx with the reality of Stalins Russia - noble theories that get corrupted in practice.

Steer well clear of any licensing scheme introduced by this or any other Government - and please dont encourage them.

So what's the answer? There are always going to be isolated incidents with regards to gas/electrical deaths, to just let this poor workmanship go on and on is ridiculous, customers need some sort of reassurance. Granted, there will be the odd few that slip through the net but, if people are made aware that tiling is not just a glorified DIY job, they can have work done knowing they will be receiving a quality job that will last. This license/certificate does not necessarily have to cost big money.

 

[bobbynz]

Like I said before, enforcement and penalties can motivate a client to do what they can to ensure registered tradesmen only work in their homes. At some point of the project all parties must play their part. Tradesmen is registered, Client checks license and Council checks and approves project and signs off when client presents trademan's license details.
It works in the US why not in the UK ???

 

[nybor62]

maybe its upto the clients to make sure the right people are working on there projects
im talking commercial here, when we did the marks and spencers jobs
we had to go to pitt training centre for a full day , to be asessed ,as to weather we could do the job , we were then granted a card by fita , other wise m&s would not let you on the job,

 

[jay]

some of us have already got qualifications so to be honest I would not expect to have to do a lot in that respect but at the end of the day I am a tiler and I will do whatever I have to do to carry on making my living.

So long as it doesn't cause harm to the general public i cant see a problem with that

 

[The D]

So long as it doesn't cause harm to the general public i cant see a problem with that

Not sure you got me jay I am saying I have already put myself out to obtain my trade qualifications and if I have to put myself out to obtain a licence I am willing to do that.

 

[jay]

Sorry misunderstood your post my mistake

 

[Rich]

How about looking at it from a different side, I can see what Andy is saying. I have always wished that they would bring out something like this as I am yet to find a "tiler" round here that isnt a builder/chipy/plumber or has recently been made redundant and bought himself a cutter. But what if this is not the route to take, the government may well start something like this but the chances are they are going to charge a fortune and then not enforce it. I dont think that the problem here is the commercial side of things, more the public.

So, what if they were to make it easier to punish the cowboys? There is a big firm round here that have been going for years and have done tens of thousands of pounds worth of damage to somebody's house (wet room). I went in to price to put it right and told them to get the tiler back, she did and they gave her a quote to put it right!! I asked her why she wasnt going to chase them and she just said "I have looked into it but it would cost me more to chase them through the courts then I would ever get out of them"....

....Where is the incentive to do the job properly when you can make more money buy doing it quick/wrong and never getting any come backs?

I have seen similar countless times and I think there should be an easier way for the customers to get the bad work put right.

 

[jay]

Or another take on it.Say the tiler is out of work so he straps on a nail bag and goes building for a change .Whats stopping him ////////

 

[Rich]

I dont see any problem with that, or a plumber/chipy/builder/delivery driver doing tiling but there has to be something in place as an incentive to look into what your doing before hand. If I decided to do a bit of building and the roof caved in, I would expect to be in serious trouble but when an plasterer tiles a wetroom onto 6mm ply with tub from B&Q and the ceiling comes down thats fine and heis long gone and has been paid??

How does that make sense?

 

[jay]

so are builders registered or licensed over there

 

[bobbynz]

I dont see any problem with that, or a plumber/chipy/builder/delivery driver doing tiling but there has to be something in place as an incentive to look into what your doing before hand. If I decided to do a bit of building and the roof caved in, I would expect to be in serious trouble but when an plasterer tiles a wetroom onto 6mm ply with tub from B&Q and the ceiling comes down thats fine and heis long gone and has been paid??

How does that make sense?

If the industry is licensed you would have to be a dummy to get an unregistered tiler or any other unregistered tradesman. The public have to take some responsibility if there is a choice of registered or unregistered.
You might want to go cheap but for goodness sakes get a cheap registered tradie.
Over here if your work has contibuted to a major problem and the jobs less than 10 years, you will be prosecuted. If you are registered then its really easy to track you down. Incentive to do the job properly?....maybe, better than no accountability.
If and when regulated trades are established the public must be informed of any changes in the building codes. We just had TV coverage of certain changes in our building code just last week. With the internet, its not difficult to educate yourself either.
Small claims court over here is not that expensive, I really think the real reason not to use the courts is they dont like confrontation and being uncomfortable with the whole thing, so they will just rather start again, doesn't make sense but some people just dont like stirring things up.
Anyway those are my thoughts for what theyr'e worth:incazzato:

 

[The D]

so are builders registered or licensed over there

NO :mad2:

 

[jay]

NO :mad2:

You are kidding right.any joe blow of the streets can build a house