mosaic pricing

[jonnyc]

I don't do huge amount of domestic work but when I do my price is my price, take it or leave it. If you're good at your job and know how to sell yourself then you'll get the work. If you want a cheap job doing then get a rough arse builder in but don't come crying on here when the job is a mess (not those exact words but that is what I tell people!!). Personally I think £700 is way to low for a quality job like that, if that's all I was offered I'd take it as an insult. Will be interesting to see how much Neil does get for it. Apologies if that comes across as a bit arrogant, I'm not an arrogant person but it does wind me up that people are willing to drop their prices too quickly which effectively devalues the trade!

good points again , but whilst weve all being arguing about what the job is worth or how we would price it , i think we have all missed a basic fact.
That being, that neils contractor did not ask for a price up front.quite why i dont know or we would not be discussing this. by both agreeing to start work without any costing or agreement in place they have both left themselves wide open to a potential argument if neils final cost comes in over what contractor has allowed for. we have all done this before i suspect at some point especially if you think you know someone or deal done at last minute but it is not the professional way to do business.
we have hard enough time without arguing about a bill .
neil says that he has worked for builder before , but personally i would never start a job without giving a price and i mean a price not a day rate . having been to site and and evaluated what i am getting in to there is no excuse to not give a price based on site prep in your quote, in fact i would go as far as to say that if you are not capable of giving a quote for a job that you have evaluated on site then if i was a q.s i would not even consider your quote.

 

[jonnyc]

oh yes , and if i was the general contractor( not being a mosaic specialist) i would not have a clue about how i would cost this job. but the first thing i would do is ask my tiler ie neil what he would charge unless of course he has had a cost already from another on which price he based his costs and then the tiler did a no show as he realised he had come in to low.
neil from the photos i have seen and i am a stone specialist inc stone mosaic not a glass mosaic man , your job is first class and i think you are kicking yourself that you let yourself get in to this position whereby you know that value of the job may be more than what the contractor may have in mind. that is life.

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

Ohh Diamond, I am glad that you are busy doing all the mosaic pools that you do. But I can't agree with what you have wrote, in any shape or form. We only work for main contractors, and I know to the last penny what is acceptable pricing and what is not. You wrote that you would only pay one of your lads £700.00 for that job, but your taking a cut on top of that as he is subbing to you, so the reality is that the client is paying you more than the £700.00. As for people not living in the real world, we all have to put food on the table, and we cut our prices on certain things. I lowered my ceramic rates and yes its paid off, but the other elements, no I wont budge, as they are slower moving works, and I cant afford any mistakes, the cost implications of a mosaic job going wrong are far higher than a ceramic job.

If I was told they only wanted to pay £700.00 for work of that type, I would tell them to go find someone else, and believe me I do work in the real world, and commercial contracting is brutal at the best of times. What I make up for on a reduced margin, I make up for on the volume of work. So everything is a balance at the end of the day.

If a lad has done a good job, then he deserves to be paid accordingly, I am fed up with hearing about crap rates being paid to good men, Jesus Christ, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing Im not paying someone a decent wage for a decent job. I really hope that BigNeil gets paid a full and fair rate, the man made one mistake by not speaking with the builder beforehand, but as I have said previously we live and learn.

Lynn

Wrong i wish i was out doing all the mosaic pools that i do , but i'am NOT one job in north London (rich area Bubble ) started job then the main contractor discovered he could get cheap eastern-european labour to do what we had priced at a fraction ! so that was us out of the picture real enough for ya !, second job in romsey we gave price it was accepted we were waiting for order to come through from the builder and he got a cheaper offer and took it without even having the decency to contact -us , we had to find out via a local friend , now that price is Not for me paying on of my lads ( IT'S for me doing the job ) as stated just previously two jobs for you that I HAVE BEEN UNDERCUT ON , SO WHERE DO I GO FROM THERE !!! yes review my prices to become more competitive ,and put up a fight against the guys undercutting me , NOW IS THIS THE REAL ENOUGH WORLD FOR YOU , now lets here about all the big mosaic job's you are all winning not 24 m2 start around 120 M2 then i might acknowledge you are in the mosaic world as well, most mosaic jobs talked about on any forums are small and direct in rich bubbles, or pieces of art, i have a job in Scotland after christmas ,and the price is crap ,lol

 

[DHTiling]

DPF , this job is also domestic bathroom , so well out of your pricing comfort.. you do pools and price for pools, so at the end of the day how do you know what the rate is for domestic bathroom tiling in mosaics..

we are banging heads here and as jonny has said a price should have been agreed before hand.. it is just DPF's arrogance towards others doing mosaic work that has annoyed me..

i will leave this thread be now as i will deffo say summit to mr bubbles that should left left off line.

🙂

 

[Dan]

Waaaassssaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap.



I genuinely wanted to say something constructive in this thread then but I've got nothing.




Continue.

 

[widler]

DPF , this job is also domestic bathroom , so well out of your pricing comfort.. you do pools and price for pools, so at the end of the day how do you know what the rate is for domestic bathroom tiling in mosaics..

we are banging heads here and as jonny has said a price should have been agreed before hand.. it is just DPF's arrogance towards others doing mosaic work that has annoyed me..

i will leave this thread be now as i will deffo say summit to mr bubbles that should left left off line.

🙂

i was going to say this,domestic bathrooms would be completely different prices to swimming pools,wouldnt they ?

i would of thought you could nearly mosaic a big swimming pool in the same time as a bathroom,couldnt you ?

for the m2 in bigneils bathroom i think £700 is cheap

 

[jonnyc]

i think that this is getting a bit out of hand now! there is a core of members that were around before i ever pitched up .

 

[jonnyc]

forget my last statement that was as bad as neil not giving a price before he started work.
best of luck and if ever i get offered a job up your way i will be in touch. strangely i have been offered three limestone jobs in far aways isles off mainalnd in last five years but have not taken them up because i did not have the labour available .

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

what -ever !! obviously the know all's are getting personal , mosaic work is mosaic work to me i could have done that bathroom in 3 days! £233 a day thats enough for me , i have said my bit on it now , and i have said good luck to the guy if he get's -more than £700 , :69: boring

 

[DHTiling]

what -ever !! obviously the know all's are getting personal , mosaic work is mosaic work to me i could have done that bathroom in 3 days! £233 a day thats enough for me , i have said my bit on it now , and i have said good luck to the guy if he get's -more than £700 , :69: boring