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AMtek

My joiner has well and truely dropped the ball on a kitchen he has just finished fitting!

I went in and tiled the floor before he started and everything was good, checked the kitchen was not damaged, all the boxes were there that should have been. All the bits were there and nothing was damaged, which is a first!

This is where things start to go wrong. Most of the units had been fitted so it was time for worktops. This is the story i got from the labourer: the joiner put the jig on the top and started his first cut and then knocks the router off, takes it away and looks at the jig then the router. He hadn't put the guide bush in and wrecked the jig and a length of worktop. But the joiner phones me and tells me that the router had jumped out of the jig and had damaged the jig and the worktop. So i go out and have to buy a new jig and another length of worktop. Not a huge thing and the best of us make mistakes so i let it go and just made a joke about being more carefull.

Joiner phones me last night and tells me the kitchen is all fitted and ready for the back splash on Thursday and for me to check it over. All sounded like it was going well and he had got it finished a day ahead of time.

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Customer phones me this evening and explains that they had their new washing machine delivered but it won't fit in the gap left for it and after they have looked at the plans all of the base units have been fitted wrong and 500 doors have been used instead of 600 s on a corner either side of the cooker and the worktop should have been 140mm longer with spaces for dishwasher and washing machine to suit new ones not the old ones that they had (this was stated on the plan).


So now i have to buy 2 new lengths of worktop, 2 new doors, 2 lengths of plinth and i'm going to offer to tile their new conservatory for free as an appology. I'm Just glad they listened to me and had the floor tiled before the kitchen went in and not cut round the units!!
 
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AMtek

The joiner is normally really good, i'm putting it down to being just one of those jobs for him. I will be meeting him there in the morning to throw a tape measure and the drawings at him though.

I would do it all myself but i have far too much on to do it all myself. I have been trying to stick to just doing some of the tiling jobs and spending my time organising and quoting but i am still spending more time on the tools than i would like.
 

John Benton

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Whoah, that's a bad one, as I was going through your post I though you were going to say that he'd not set the units high enough for the appliances to comfortably slide under.

When I fit kitchens, once everything is ripped out I find the biggest wall and stick the plan on it and the 3D drawing so I can always take a look as I'm working and any other trades (if needed) are aware of whats going on.
 
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AMtek

Thinking about it now, i'm not sure what exactly has gone wrong because the corner base units couldnt be dragged forward 140mm because the unit would stick out beyond the edge of the worktop or there would be a 140mm gap at the back of the worktop. and it can't have been 600 doors to go on because the units are both 1000. if the gaps for the appliances are wrong though it will have to be new worktops at least. Happy days......Not!
 

John Benton

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Thinking about it now, i'm not sure what exactly has gone wrong because the corner base units couldnt be dragged forward 140mm because the unit would stick out beyond the edge of the worktop or there would be a 140mm gap at the back of the worktop. and it can't have been 600 doors to go on because the units are both 1000. if the gaps for the appliances are wrong though it will have to be new worktops at least. Happy days......Not!

Let's face it, you've given him the plan for the next job :lol:
 
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Bubblecraft

When I fit kitchens, once everything is ripped out I find the biggest wall and stick the plan on it and the 3D drawing so I can always take a look as I'm working and any other trades (if needed) are aware of whats going on.

That's exactly what I do

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AMtek

oops....joiner would be paying for that out his wages and rectifying it did you leave him drawings

mistakes yes we all make them......bombscares no lol

Yep, had drawings and the 3d's. As for taking cost of replacement bits out of his wages, i can't decide if its fair to do it or not considering its the first time he has made a mistake like this. Personally if i had done it i would be offering to pay for the stuff.
 
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AMtek

That's exactly what I do

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Whenever i've fitted kitchens i write on the all the size of the unit that is going there and any other info i need then look over the plan now and again to make double sure. I don't normally ask people to do things my way though, as long as the finished product is good.....I think he needs to start marking the walls!
 

John Benton

TF
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Leeds
That's exactly what I do

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Howdens if I'm not mistaken :thumbsup:

I use them for my standard off the shelf kitchens, and then I have another supplier that makes bespoke size units and doors for me, all 18mm solid carcases including backs
 
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Bubblecraft

Indeed it is. I went to school with 3 of the guys that work in the Howdens branch. 2 of them I grew up with & are really good pals so I get a fantastic price in there.

I also have a company that can do bespoke builds for me including granite worktops etc. Prefer to do the bespoke stuff my self though. Adds a bit of personal touch to it. That's the way my Dad taught me as I grew up & how I served my time as a joiner.
 

John Benton

TF
Arms
2,203
1,138
Leeds
Indeed it is. I went to school with 3 of the guys that work in the Howdens branch. 2 of them I grew up with & are really good pals so I get a fantastic price in there.

I also have a company that can do bespoke builds for me including granite worktops etc. Prefer to do the bespoke stuff my self though. Adds a bit of personal touch to it. That's the way my Dad taught me as I grew up & how I served my time as a joiner.


Bet you can't vinyl wrap a door though lol
 

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