powers shower/bath

[kent tiler]

im tiling round a bath soon and theres a power shower too!
i called CTD and thay said to use
BAL WHITE STAR ready mixed or powder
and WEBER JOINT PRO
and as im tiling over new plaster to use BAL SBR BOND
im using 200mm/200mm bumpy whites
2mm spacers =£84.47p

i then called TOPPS TILES
got the tiles cheaper :smilewinkgrin:
the guy said to use
BAL GREEN STAR ready mixed
BAL MICRO FLEX GROUT
BAL SBR BOND =£74.62p

im not worried about the cost just trying too get an understanding on what gear to use
most the time i use powdered gear but as its a small job i dont mind using ready mixed gear this once
BUT why dont you guys not like using ready mixed addy????
the guy i spoke to said he will do me topps tile addy or bal green star powder cheap
BUT WHAT WITH THE BIG WHO HARRR about bagged or bucket gear:whistling: i really dont know

PPS what gear do i use then peeps green star/white star

 

[Gazzer]

PPS what gear do i use then peeps green star/white star

Steel toe caps and hard hat !

 

[kent tiler]

pps not ppe lol

 

[kilty55]

hello kent,personally i would toss the green star back on the shelf its awful.

white star is a better tubbed addy yes but still cant see why you wouldnt use a bagged adhesive,how big are the tiles and what is the meterage 6 sq?


how many tubs etc are you buying for those prices?

 

[DHTiling]

Pikey

 

[kilty55]

green star powder?

 

[kent tiler]

im only tiling 5m2 200mm/200mm tiles
il only need one bucket or one bag of addy
and one bag of grout
soo the green star is crap then mate what about topps own brand then powder gear
so why dont people like using tubed gear then

 

[kent tiler]

yer some guy said thay do a green star powder ???
whos a pikey :24:

 

[Del W]

For 5sqm Id use rapid powdered & grout on the same day.Cant do that with ready mixed because of drying time.

 

[Del W]

Did he mean Gold star

 

[kent tiler]

rapid set powdered & grout cool made by who ???
dont really help if i dont know what make to get
what about topps own rapid set powdered gear and grout white

 

[bugs183]

Kiltys right Kent.
Green Star is an awful adhesive, there really isn't anything good to say about it. If it was free it would just be in the way in my garage, i'd never use it!!
White Star is as good a ready mix adhesive as you can get, never had a problem, i wouldn't even think about the £10.00 difference, and i would use this.

But, if your tiling around a bath there are a few factors that would need to be looked at. The tiles here with a power shower are going to take some stick, especially against where the tiles meet the bath.
Has the plumber put the bath in properly, 50% don't and it will move. It really should be mounted on batons screwed to the wall, no amount of silicon without these batons will stop a bath flexing.
The walls are plaster so really it needs to be tanked, this doesn't take long, it doesn't add much cost, but it gives the customer a much better job, and you piece of mind.
Secure the bath, tank the walls and tape the internal joints and especially tape the joint between the bath and the wall.
Cement based adhesive, is now becoming popular for several reasons. It forms a much stronger between the wall and the tile. It is far more resistant to water, and also it works out cheaper than tubbed adhesives.
In this case the tiles aren't too big so weight isn't an issue here, but with large format tiles, tubbed adhesive just isn't up to the job. It isn't strong enough and due to how it dries, (the moisture in tubbed adhesive is drawn into the tile and the wall, bagged uses a chemical reaction, so any moisture is used during this, so it dries everywhere).
So a tanked shower suits a tubbed adhesive even less!!!

 

[bugs183]

Nah he meant Green star. Gold Star is a great cement based adhesive, Green Star is tubbed mud.

You could use Bal, Dunlop, Mapei, or even Topps, any cement based adhesive will be better than tubbed.
I prefer standard set as it give you more time to play with, especially in this weather.

 

[Del W]

CTD do ardex rapid

 

[kilty55]

hi mate,so 84 pounds for 1 tub and 1 bag of grout and a litre of sbr?

 

[bugs183]

That's quite expensive Kilty, even at retail that lot should only cost £59.00.
But i depends where you go, you really have to badger Topps to get a sensible price out of them.

 

[kent tiler]

hi mate,so 84 pounds for 1 tub and 1 bag of grout and a litre of sbr?

AND 5 M2 of tiles too

 

[kent tiler]

any one know how much thay paying for topps own brand wall tile addy powdered gear white

 

[kent tiler]

i really dont want to tank it mate just prime and tile will do nice.
as for powdered gear then what shall i use then and grout?? cheaper side of things is better for me in the long run.
as for topps gear i dont want to get my pants pulled down on the price
what are most peeps paying for it at the mo?
ill use powered gear i think as you all are saying the same thing about green star

 

[kent tiler]

what about bal grip tile addy

 

[kent tiler]

i just called topps and ill get topps trade white wall/floor tile addy (top fix) at trade price 20kg bag £11.65 rrp £25.99p on there website.
not to bad im opening a trade account tomorrow think it mite be good
i had a right moan at the guy about him trying to sell me crap tile addy (green star)
he said he will give me a tub for free to try out and see if i like it or not

 

[bugs183]

£11.99 that's a good price, that'll easily do your job.
I don't want to run Bal down,but the Grip isn't up to much either. Years ago it used to be full of ammonia (terrible with a hangover),but they reformulated it, and it's just too stiff. White Star is loads better.
See what you think about Green Star!!

 

[paul flight]

most pro tiler will use a cement based powder adhesive .most DIY tilers will use tub adhesive . work it out!!!

 

[kent tiler]

still done answer my question tho im a pro tiler not diy but still some pro tilers use or have used tubed gear !!!!!

 

[Ian]

Dispersion adhesive (tubbed) relys on air to dry it out and will soften again when it comes in contact with water. Cement based adhesives (powdered in a bag) set chemically and will not break down when they come in contact with water, next time you mix some up, put a blob of it in a bucket of water, it will be rock solid the following day.