Professional?..............or not.

[lukeb]

Just wonder what makes professional tiler......Professional????????????????????

Is it number of completed jobs or maybe years spend in the trade or something else.

Have seen work done by ``professional``today, spoke with the bloke he said "I`m doing this for over 25 years.........done miles of tiling.....blablabla." wanted to reply "and still dodnt know how to tile"as work was HORRENDOUS.:yikes:The only reason why I keep my mouth shut is the respect for someone older than me.


RESPECT FOR PROPER TILERS

 

[Spud]

I think the term Professional Tiler applies to any one who makes their living from fixing tiles it doesnt give any indication on how proficient they are at doing so ,so I make you right, there are plenty of professionals who make a living by bodging up jobs and whose work is sub standard

 

[Tony73]

:lol: seen tilers of 25 years and more. 25 years does not make a good tiler. Attention to the detail, finishing makes good tiler. i have seen some tilers of 5 years that are better than some of 25

 

[Mike Mike]

Professional just means doing something for money. Getting paid to do it. It has no bearing on the quality of the work or the ability of the worker.

Here, to call yourself a Tiler you need to have done 6,000 hours of hands on tiling.

You will not be recognised as a Tiler by the Faket (union) if you have not completed 6,000 hours, instead you will be a lärling (apprentice).

Interestingly, an apprentice is paid to work, so is therefore a professional.

Maybe "professional Tiler" is the wrong terminology....

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Professional just means doing something for money. Getting paid to do it. It has no bearing on the quality of the work or the ability of the worker.

Here, to call yourself a Tiler you need to have done 6,000 hours of hands on tiling.

You will not be recognised as a Tiler by the Faket (union) if you have not completed 6,000 hours, instead you will be a lärling (apprentice).

Interestingly, an apprentice is paid to work, so is therefore a professional.

Maybe "professional Tiler" is the wrong terminology....

:lol: Mike, I feel like I have done 6,000 years of it:lol:

 

[lukeb]

I think the term Professional Tiler applies to any one who makes their living from fixing tiles

I can officially call myself a PRO.Thanks Gary for comment I feel much better as PRO.I`ve got my hi-vis already all I need to do is to change my business cards:lol:

 

[lukeb]

:lol: Mike, I feel like I have done 6,000 years of it:lol:

After your last job posted in last month JOTM i think you probably done more than 6000 years.

 

[OOC]

This is why people like me (a punter) find forums like this so fantastic. I was able to find a "trusted" tiler, i.e. not just someone with a fancy website but someone who knew what they were talking about and took pride in their work. Without this forum I would have been stuck with yellow pages roulette!:yikes:

 

[Rizzle from the Portizzle]

when other tilers ask you for advice that you respect you can call your self a professianol tiler thats a mark of respect

 

[Sean Page]

I think being a professional is about doing the best for the customer and leaving them with a very positive over all experience

Strictly speaking "professional tiler" does mean someone who gets paid for tiling, but as already mentioned that doesn't automatically make you a good tiler

 

[doug boardley]

I think a pro tiler should always have the outlook of "what can I do to improve", someone with that attitude is a pro in my mind, (as well as being good at tiling and getting paid for it lol!)

 

[hillhead]

This is why people like me (a punter) find forums like this so fantastic. I was able to find a "trusted" tiler, i.e. not just someone with a fancy website but someone who knew what they were talking about and took pride in their work. Without this forum I would have been stuck with yellow pages roulette!:yikes:

Thank you Orla, it was a pleasure for me to work for you and complete that lovely house.
There is too many so called pro tilers about who have no finishing skill or layout etc.
But after one/two hours of work anyone should see if the tiler is worth his corn.

 

[John Benton]

Thank you Orla, it was a pleasure for me to work for you and complete that lovely house.
There is too many so called pro tilers about who have no finishing skill or layout etc.
But after one/two hours of work anyone should see if the tiler is worth his corn.

As Hillhead says its not just about fixing the tiles to the wall or floor. Professionalism starts from the moment you walk through the customers door, do you take your shoes off or use shoe covers? Or do you just walk straight over their beige carpet? Get a feel of what the customer is trying acheive. Your advice at this point is crucial, it builds confidence between the customer and you. If you say you will have the quote to the customer within 3 days, make sure it is. I like to sit down with the customer once they have decided on the tiles, decided on orientation, shown them where the cuts will be before I even fix a tile to wall. Then it's a case of grout colours, do some samples, I carry a case with grout samples in for the customer to look at. At the end of each day I ask them to look at the work that has been carried out that day and make sure that they are happy with whats been done. Its easier to rectify/change at that point than when its completed. When the job is completed there is nothing more satisfying than a customer saying its better than I thought it would be.

Oh and like Doug says make sure you can tile and are paid for it.

 

[Perry]

have seen guys of 25 years or more less professional and poorer tilers than other guys that have been tiling for a month

 

[andy8758]

Whats in a name? I once attended a "community" meeting where the first 2 hours were spent agreeing what the committee would call itself......

Professional? Qualified? Trained? Accredited? Experienced? Craftsman? Tiler?

Nothing speaks like your finished work does.

 

[AliGage]

Nothing speaks like your finished work does.

Perfectly put!

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

I second that Andy, very well said

 

[Gazzer]

According to Wikipedia

"
[h=3]Definition[/h] The main criteria for professional include the following:

1. Expert and specialized knowledge in field which one is practicing professionally.[SUP][6][/SUP]
2. Excellent manual/practical and literary skills in relation to profession.[SUP][7][/SUP]
3. High quality work in (examples): creations, products, services, presentations, consultancy, primary/other research, administrative, marketing, photography or other work endeavours.
4. A high standard of professional ethics, behaviour and work activities while carrying out one's profession (as an employee, self-employed person, career, enterprise, business, company, or partnership/associate/colleague, etc.). The professional owes a higher duty to a client, often a privilege of confidentiality, as well as a duty not to abandon the client just because he or she may not be able to pay or remunerate the professional. Often the professional is required to put the interest of the client ahead of his own interests.
5. Reasonable work morale and motivation. Having interest and desire to do a job well as holding positive attitude towards the profession are important elements in attaining a high level of professionalism.
6. Participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavour often engaged in by amateurs b : having a particular profession as a permanent career c : engaged in by persons receiving financial return[SUP][6][/SUP]
7. Appropriate treatment of relationships with colleagues. Consideration should be shown to elderly, junior or inexperienced colleagues, as well as those with special needs. An example must be set to perpetuate the attitude of one's business without doing it harm.
8. A professional is an expert who is master in a specific field.

[h=3][edit] Trades[/h] In narrow usage, not all expertise is considered a profession. Although sometimes referred to as professions, occupations such as skilled construction and maintenance work are more generally thought of as trades or crafts. The completion of an apprenticeship is generally associated with skilled labor or trades such as carpenter, electrician, mason, painter, plumber and other similar occupations. A related distinction would be that a professional does mainly mental or administrative work, as opposed to engaging in physical work. Many companies include the word professional in their store name to signify the quality of their workmanship or service."

 

[John Benton]

Apparently Emile Heskey is a professional, and he's been getting away with it for years. Just as a side-note does anyone know how much Fernando Torres was paid between his last goal to the two he scored against Leicester in the cup last week.

Have a guess I will give you the figure shortly.

 

[Tony73]

about 3 million pounds? :lol: feel good that we (lfc) sold him to chelsea. but :incazzato:why did we buy Caroll?

 

[John Benton]

Shortly is up and the figure Torres has actually been paid is £4 million, i have to work all year for that :lol:

 

[jonnyc]

mike . if we got heated loo seats like you seem to have in your portaloos , there might be a lot more tilers OVER HERE getting nearer your 6000 hours on the job so to speak!!|
I have never had so much comfort on a site as in sweden.
Whats with the matching coloured bib and brace for each trade thing . I thought that was quite cool . even liked the pinky and perky white/pink hoops for the decorators.
seriou sly though it was the best job i had overseas and sure beat living in a grit bin in munich over a whole winter.

 

[swanman]

Well said

 

[jonnyc]

AND IVE DONE A VERY INTERSETING JOB VERY NEAR YOU AS WELL. JUST HAVE TO LOOK IT UP . PUB ON TOP OF HILL WAS JETHROS STAMPING MANOR I UNDERSTAND.
WORKED FOR THE MACMILLAN PUBLISHING FAMILY.
LAID A RECLAIMED FRENCH TERRECOTTA FLOOR IN THE MASTER BEDROOM! why not ?