Questions about tiling quality

[united]

that mosaic is an abortion and needs redoing

I agree they are really bad

 

[pete f]

sub standard work nooker stop him right now

 

[nooker]

The mosaic is not right!
As it is a thick marble mosaic he has a weight issue and the tile has dropped - so you have a right to be concerned. Hopefully there are not too many like that but it can be altered.
The other tiles - I can't comment on from the picture - area is too small to see the rest of the joints for tile size.
Thanks for the update.

As I've said before, the gaps between the tiles isn't really an issue to me, its just after seeing the mosaic I thought I would provide as much information as possible. Since they are large tiles 1-2mm isn't a great deal and I'm sure once it has the filling put will become not noticeable. I have never had a professional tiler, so I thought I would state everything and let you guys (obviously far more educated in this profession than me) have a full view of everything.

 

[DHTiling]

Looking at the pics.. the mosaic deffo needs sorting IMO..

Some pics from further back might give a better image of the field tiles.

 

[DHTiling]

As I've said before, the gaps between the tiles isn't really an issue to me, its just after seeing the mosaic I thought I would provide as much information as possible. Since they are large tiles 1-2mm isn't a great deal and I'm sure once it has the filling put will become not noticeable. I have never had a profession tiler, so I thought I would state everything and let you guys (obviously far more educated in this professional than me) have a full view of everything.

Some tiles do vary in size by a mm or so.. and when grouted do look fine.

But as you say the border needs sorting..

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

As Mike, mosaic not good. Can't say about field tiles, scale not clear. Having said that no "Tiler" worth his salt would leave mosaic like that:mad2:

 

[why tile]

i guess i was right about the horse and i wont be eating my hat.

what i cant get my head around is this moron has looked at these tiles he has laid and thought to himself"yeah that lookks the dogs im well happy with that the customer is gunna love it, might even be in for a tip" yeah he might even get an apple for his horse.

i belive its ok to mention the horse now?rrr:

 

[hillhead]

Usual builder come tiler crap !! i seen this sort of thing yesterday,the builder/so called tiler even had the cheek to come back and lift loose tiles and charge 400 quid again :yikes:

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

As usual 6 posts since I started my reply, ( just after Mike) my slow typing again. At least we all agree, more or less

 

[Time's Ran Out]

The other issue you have with the mosaic is the amount of adhesive that is left in the joints. Care will have to be taken when cleaning the joints out not to scratch the marble.
When was the tiling done - it looks like a cement powdered adhesive and I doubt if you will be able to save the mosaic already fixed.
With that type of mosaic I would recommend a peg joint above and below to stop it slipping.

 

[Time's Ran Out]

i guess i was right about the horse and i wont be eating my hat.

what i cant get my head around is this moron has looked at these tiles he has laid and thought to himself"yeah that lookks the dogs im well happy with that the customer is gunna love it, might even be in for a tip" yeah he might even get an apple for his horse.

i belive its ok to mention the horse now?rrr:

That's what I find amusing about this Forum:mad2: - you always get some who likes to provide a hatful of helpful information and ends up with a rrr:.

 

[nooker]

This was done today. Overall I am pretty happy with the actual tiles, just the mosaic that's the problem. I'll mention it to the tiler tomorrow since he wants to come on the week end.
I have bought some pretty expensive floor tiles and really don't want them ruined since I don't think I can afford to buy a whole new set for the bathroom (not sure of the name exactly but I think it might have been Jerusalem stone or something) but looking at it, the tiler seems good at the larger tiles. I'll try and get some more pictures of the mosaic and the tiles.

 

[Time's Ran Out]

One of my earlier posts picked up on the point - its your job you have to be happy - and having seen the mosaic you are right to have doubts.
It may have been the last part of his day's work - fixing the mosaic between the larger tiles - and he may not have noticed the 'slipping', but when he see it tomorrow he should want to alter it without any hassle. You will have to make a decision on the cost of the mosaic!
As for the floor - check the substrate preparation - and with the right attitude I'am sure you'll get the job done to YOUR satisfaction.

 

[why tile]

That's what I find amusing about this Forum:mad2: - you always get some who likes to provide a hatful of helpful information and ends up with a rrr:.

oh sorry you wanted helpfull information ok.

sack the cowboy, employ a tiler. then maybe you wont have to line the builders pockets with any more of your hard earned money.

just because im not a tf arms member does that mean im not allowed to express my opinion?

 

[nooker]

Just a couple more pics:

Zoomed out, as I said, looks pretty good to me, 1-2mm isn't really noticeable on such large tiles IMO.

Some more mosaic issues?
Should I point out the fact that the gap between these two pieces just looks too small? pic (talking about the central ones)

also, in the top left corner of this pic you can see the gap between the pieces seems a bit too large: pic (four mosaic pieces in from the left).

Sorry about the poorer pictures, I tried to get some new pics of different tiles from slightly further away from the light.

 

[Scott]

oh sorry you wanted helpfull information ok.

sack the cowboy, employ a tiler. then maybe you wont have to line the builders pockets with any more of your hard earned money.

just because im not a tf arms member does that mean im not allowed to express my opinion?

Dude :chillpill:

 

[Scott]

Just a couple more pics:

Zoomed out, as I said, looks pretty good to me, 1-2mm isn't really noticeable on such large tiles IMO.

Some more mosaic issues?
Should I point out the fact that the gap between these two pieces just looks too small? pic (talking about the central ones)

also, in the top left corner of this pic you can see the gap between the pieces seems a bit too large: pic (four mosaic pieces in from the left).

Sorry about the poorer pictures, I tried to get some new pics of different tiles from slightly further away from the light.

Its the mosaics that are the main problem and they do look like they have slipped as some of them are inline. I can see the joins between the sheets in the pics and yes he hasnt spaced them very well. Do you know what adhesive he used? If you poke something into it has it gone hard?

The mosaics can be removed, you may not salvage them though, but at least you can have them reset.

Where abouts are you?

 

[Time's Ran Out]

oh sorry you wanted helpfull information ok.

sack the cowboy, employ a tiler. then maybe you wont have to line the builders pockets with any more of your hard earned money.

just because im not a tf arms member does that mean im not allowed to express my opinion?

On the contrary - all opinions are welcome and this one more than your others IMHO.
My concern is your loose reference to 'cowboys' in an industry that some try to promote as a profession.
24 posts in 24 months is a low count towards Tilers Arms entry - but I would be the first to buy you a drink when you arrive at the bar:welcome:

 

[nooker]

It reads to me as though you've got everything sourced and sorted and you want the tradesmen just to work for you without any profit to cover their overheads. If this was agreed at the contract stage then you are acting the role of Project Manager so you tell them who comes in/when/and how you want the work completed!
As for standards - the only height that they can be, is those set by yourself and whether you accept this work or not!
Diplomacy/respect/communication are just 3 issues I would expect from a foreman/manager and if you show some of these then a happy working environment should be achieved.

Sorry, I missed your post earlier, almost everything that I have had to source is either due to issues with what they sourced (such as the bricks being different colour and size) or things which they did not put into the original quotation despite leading me to believe they had (such as the new boiler and radiators). When giving me the quotation, they put the price for two new bathrooms, its only now that I have found out that this was only £2000 for each bathroom (to put it into perspective, I've spent more on the tiles/tiler alone than that £2000). After all these extra costs have started rolling in I think I have become almost paranoid, checking up on everything to try and keep a sane budget maintained.

 

[mikethetile]

looks like the mosaics are thinner than the field tiles and he has struggled to get them flush as theres too much addy behind

 

[Time's Ran Out]

Stick to the budget - builder extras should be signed and date agreed.
Without a QS involved you can loose track of the costs and it has been known for builders extras to cost more than their original estimate.
See how the tiler reacts tomorrow and let us know the outcome.

 

[mikethetile]

Sorry, I missed your post earlier, almost everything that I have had to source is either due to issues with what they sourced (such as the bricks being different colour and size) or things which they did not put into the original quotation despite leading me to believe they had (such as the new boiler and radiators). When giving me the quotation, they put the price for two new bathrooms, its only now that I have found out that this was only £2000 for each bathroom (to put it into perspective, I've spent more on the tiles/tiler alone than that £2000). After all these extra costs have started rolling in I think I have become almost paranoid, checking up on everything to try and keep a sane budget maintained.

project management and handling builders is fraught with difficulties, this is on top of the stress of having work done

as tj has said, your paying the piper so you call the tune

 

[nooker]

To everyone saying this is a cowboy, I don't think you guys should jump to that conclusion, despite trying to maybe get the extra penny or two out of me, the extension being built is of very high quality and to be honest, I think rather than a cowboy, it is more likely that the tiler is attempting to finish this job quickly (that is the impression I got, especially when requesting to come tomorrow) which has resulted in the poor mosaic, maybe get to another job he has lined up?

Right, I am going to sleep now, thanks for all the help guys. I'll try and sort it all out tomorrow and will post any updates.

 

[mikethetile]

To everyone saying this is a cowboy, I don't think you guys should jump to that conclusion, despite trying to maybe get the extra penny or two out of me, the extension being built is of very high quality and to be honest, I think rather than a cowboy, it is more likely that the tiler is attempting to finish this job quickly (that is the impression I got, especially when requesting to come tomorrow) which has resulted in the poor mosaic, maybe get to another job he has lined up?

not everyone is shouting cowboy, some of us have seen it all before and reserve judgement till we know more

have a chat with him about the border as your thoughts are correct on this, if he complains he cant do it we will talk him through it

 

[why tile]

On the contrary - all opinions are welcome and this one more than your others IMHO.
My concern is your loose reference to 'cowboys' in an industry that some try to promote as a profession.
24 posts in 24 months is a low count towards Tilers Arms entry - but I would be the first to buy you a drink when you arrive at the bar:welcome:

i look forward to it