Questions about tiling quality

[charlie1]

Jay, If it was yours, Im sure you would never have done it like that in the first place!

 

[jay]

true charlie but if i was in your position

you dont know what else has been done (not right)

 

[mikebidd]

Just read throught the whole thread. and if i was nooker id feel like id had the wind pulled out off my sails.

No need for the "i told you so"s" in the middle.

Nooker 90% off the members on here are true proffesionals who know exactly what they are doing and have a extremly good reputation Not for being the cheapest but for being the best. Im sure if you look on here for a tiler like you mentioned. It will turn out not too be as bad as you may think too make right.

The other 10% are people like me who are still learning and cant really comment. How ever when i was at collage we were told Dot and dabbing was a complete NO NO as it left a void in the middle that would leave a week poit in the tile And also the addy wouldnt dry properly.

Good luck mate.

 

[mikethetile]

well said mike

 

[diamondtiling]

Just read throught the whole thread. and if i was nooker id feel like id had the wind pulled out off my sails.

No need for the "i told you so"s" in the middle.

Nooker 90% off the members on here are true proffesionals who know exactly what they are doing and have a extremly good reputation Not for being the cheapest but for being the best. Im sure if you look on here for a tiler like you mentioned. It will turn out not too be as bad as you may think too make right.

The other 10% are people like me who are still learning and cant really comment. How ever when i was at collage we were told Dot and dabbing was a complete NO NO as it left a void in the middle that would leave a week poit in the tile And also the addy wouldnt dry properly.

Good luck mate.

Wind of change Mike?

You seem a little more upbeat today mate?

Your post contains a lot of good points.

 

[charlie1]

Hi Nooker!

Give the tiles that are already fixed a good check by tapping them with a coin like I said earlier! to put your mind at rest you can also hit them with a rubber mallet to see if they are showing any signs of coming loose!.

I wouldn't worry about the adhesive not setting though as it looks like cement based, so this will set regardless! You do have certain factors in your favour though, the tile looks ceramic and the adhesive looks cement based, had this been porcelain with ready mixed tubbed addy then you would have had no choice but to redo the whole lot!!

Give the tiles a good check mate with previously mentioned test and lets see what you find!

Good luck

 

[mikethetile]

why should he give them a good check or indeed accept them, the builder supplied the tiler who has fixed using the wrong method

its down to the builder now to remove them and make good, the cost for replacing the used material will come off the builders bill

nooker has got his head screwed on and will deal with this, he just wanted to check with us about the standard acceptable from a pro tiler

 

[charlie1]

Mike,

My initial reply was directed at nookers concerns that his tils where gonna start falling of the walls.

I have never once indicated nooker never had his head screwd on, im sure whatever he does for a living he does it well, however when It comes to tiling and standards he does not really know that much or he would not be on here asking the questions!

Now - if he can convince the builder to supply and fit new tiles and supply all the new materials free of additional cost, and by a new pro-tiler (of his choice i assume) then this would be an ideal outcome, however it may not be as easy as that!

Its very easy for builders and clients to fall out and where would nooker be left if that happens? Lets get more info and not add fuel to fire!

 

[mikebidd]

Wind of change Mike?

You seem a little more upbeat today mate?

Your post contains a lot of good points.

Lol im not always a manic deppresive

I can just see the bloke probably works bloody hard for his cash and wants the best job he can no doubt the builder is in a huff becuase hes not making his xmas bonus out off materials.

Like you mike and others have said He shouldnt have to accept a second rate job or one thats "ok" for the moment.

On a up point Id love to be able to say "my mates whos a SURGEON does my D.I.Y" :lol:

 

[The D]

As has already been said this type dot and dab tiling is not a recognised method of fixing.
From the pics it appears there has been no attempt to use the correct method.
Also that bag of adhesive looks to be an unopened bag but there is a dispersion adhesive lid in the pic are you sure that was the only adhesive in the room?

 

[charlie1]

Nooker,

Can you put the tile with the adhesive on it in a big tub of water and leave it there for an hour, if after that time the adhesive has started to go a bit softer then I'm afraid the tiles have been stuck on with tubbed gear. If this is the case then its probably good news as many of the tiles could be salvageable by removing very carefully with a large wide chisel and delicately levering of the wall, then let them lie in some water for a day and you should be able to remove the adhesive no problem!, this off course would be up to the builder!!! but they will need removed as this type of adhesive shrinks as it dries out, the field tiles may look straight just now but after time they would become a wee bit unsightly!

I think you need to test this tile for type of addy used, then assess the coverage by tapping the tiles to see what coverage we have on the back of them, come back on here with your results and we can give a more accurate opinion on 1, are the tiles gonna be likely to fall off the wall?, 2,should they be removed by you / builder?

My pro opinion though would still say the chances of them just coming off are unlikely, and my main concern is still the look of the job , and this will be more of a concern if the tiler has used tubbed gear!

Let us know how you get on.

 

[mikethetile]

charlie

im getting concerned now that your pushing for the op to keep tiles that may appear to be fixed now but could fail in the future, you are also asking him to assess how well the tiles are fixed when he clearly stated that he has no experiance of tiling

how long the tiles will remain on the wall is irrelevant, we have all hacked off dotted tiles that have been on the wall twenty years, we have also seen jobs fail within a few months due to dotting

nooker is paying for a professional job and that is what he expects, all he has asked for is our opinion on the tiling and we have given it

its down to his builder to sort this out, nooker has stated he has had some issues on quality of materials but overall hes happy with the work

he doesnt have to accept incorrectly fixed tiles nor should he

continueing to insist he does only muddies the water

 

[charlie1]

Hi mikethe tile,

You seem to have a serious issue with the advice I am giving nooker!.... I will try to address some of your concerns!!

im getting concerned now that your pushing for the op to keep tiles that may appear to be fixed now but could fail in the future, you are also asking him to assess how well the tiles are fixed when he clearly stated that he has no experiance of tiling

I have no interest in if he decides to keep the tiles on the wall or remove them, I am only giving my pro opinion on the tiles coming off the wall!
As you put it, nooker has his head screwd on!, you don’t really need any tiling experience to perform the test I have mentioned and I'm sure he will have no bother doing this! and it wont do any harm to check! Nooker can send me a pm and I will discuss with him any questions he may have in performing the simple check!!, … ok nooker!!


how long the tiles will remain on the wall is irrelevant, we have all hacked off dotted tiles that have been on the wall twenty years, we have also seen jobs fail within a few months due to dotting

No mikethetile, this is completely relevant because if the fall of the wall the could give you a real sore one so why is it irrelevant?? This is why we are trying to give a more informed opinion about it!! and the only way to do this is by getting as much information about the job as possible to asses if they are gonna last 20 years or 2 months!


nooker is paying for a professional job and that is what he expects, all he has asked for is our opinion on the tiling and we have given it

no mike!, we are in the process of giving the advice and will do until nooker is happy!


its down to his builder to sort this out, nooker has stated he has had some issues on quality of materials but overall he's happy with the work

I was giving advice on nookers concern that the tiles where just going to start falling off the wall, which I don’t think they will! and I have also given my opinion on the general look of the job which is bellow par!


he doesn't have to accept incorrectly fixed tiles nor should he

continueing to insist he does only muddies the water

im not insisting he does anything other than give the tiles a good check so we can give a more informed and professional opinion on nookers concern that the tiles where just going to fall off the wall.

 

[charlie1]

I would just like to add, the best possibile soution for nooker here would be the builder accepts the blame for this and fits new tiles free of charge!!!

 

[mikethetile]

it is all irrelevant charlie

hes paying for a professional job and not recieved it

there is only one way to do a job and thats to do it right, we shouldnt even be having this debate, dotting is not a recognised method of fixing and rightly so as you cant guarantee coverage

no client should pay for this method of fixing