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If that policy wins him work I can onkly think that it is because of 1 or 2 things.
1. He is misleading them in some way and hiding the material prices untill it is too late for them to change their mind cos if I was the customer the first thing I would ask is "what is the extra cost"
2. He is using clever and subtle sales psychology to build a relationship with them by having a reason to continue dialogue beyond the initial approach. I have used this technique very successfully for years. It goes sort of like this - you give him an initial indication of price but say can I just call you back later on to confirm everything properly for you. He usually says yes. (In my world that call back is usualy a couple of hours later when he has had chance to phone up my competitors to check on their prices). When I call him back after the initial how are you etc etc questions I ask what he thought of the price. He will either sayit was ok or not. If not I ask what sort of prices he has received elsewhere. If he was not satisfied with my price I know that if I want the order I have to do something. If he will tell me my competitors price I can decide if I can match or beat it. If I want to beat it I can say something like well as Isaid I was going to come back and confirm things and I have good news as I got it slightly wron earlier and the actual price is (a bit cheaper than my competition). Bear in mind most private customers will give you the information you want. However if he is a bit more shrewd and will not give you the prices but I want the work I have to take a flier. I give him a revised price based on the same excuse i.e. I ask for the order and if he is still not satisifed I will be much more blunt and simply ask what sort of price he had in mind. This is the next stage where I will give myself some time to consider whether I beleive him or not and say I will need to seek outhorisation. Again most private customers will give you this time in the hope of saving a few pennies. At this point I have a number of options. If I beleive his price I will go back after a while and let him know my decision. It will either be yes I can or no I cannot do better on my price and that will be the end of it. Sometimes If I don't beleive him I will ask for a copy of my comeptitors quote as evidence to get my "boss's" authority to reduce my price. On every occasions when I go back I have the opportunity to offer him reasons why he should use me at the higher price and actually reducing the price is the last thing on the agenda. I have used thiese techniques in various guises hundreds of times over the years and where I creat multiple opportuinities to discuss the situation with the customer I have rarely lost an order. It also allows me to analyse what my competitors are doing and I have often been able to convince them that it is not always about price and find a reason for them to use me at a higher price. It sounds a bit shady I know but sales is all about orders at te right price and if you don't talk to the prospect you have no chance of selling to him.

It does not work on people who are trained in either sales or purchasing techniques generally e.g. contract customers so the tactic with them has to be different.
 
Imho i think its a bit naughtyto do that :thumbsdown:

If he is only mentioning getting the materias just as he is about to start it puts the customer in an awkward position as they may not have the funds to pay for the extra materials. In that case they may decide not to have the work done leaving the tiler without any work that day and the customer having to wait to get the job done.

Imo i just think its better to be upfront and honest with customers from the start :thumbsup:
 
This guy has been doing this for years, always busy and has a very good reputation in the area....maybe he has got it right...It is a dog eat dog
world out there at the moment...:lol:
 
Naughty but nice, if the customer doesn't see any materials in the quote then they should pick up on that, unless there's no breakdown on the quite / estimate, if he's quoting labour only, then asks about supplying mats then there's not a lot wrong, as long as it's all detailed as I said.
 
most domestic work in my area is priced as labour only. The client gives you an idea of the type of material they want and you price the job on that basis. Most of our clients have already purchased the materials and the tile shops then reccommend fitters to them.
 
most domestic work in my area is priced as labour only. The client gives you an idea of the type of material they want and you price the job on that basis. Most of our clients have already purchased the materials and the tile shops then reccommend fitters to them.
I always emphasise that I'll provide the addy, grout etc, I don't want the customer getting inadequate/substandard gear
 
If it works good luck to him. I try to give the customer an "all in" price but I'm aware that others use different tactics to secure the work.

On the larger jobs using this approach they would seriously undercut my quotes.

Each to their own though :thumbsup:
 
Ajax i must be sneakier than you mate, if you were dealing with me i would have done as you thought and knocked even more off, then i would have put my invented price on headed note paper photocopied from the original peoples , and it serves you right for trying to take more than one bight of the cherry :lol::lol::lol:
 
Don't really see a problem with it if the customer doesn't have the tiles picked, as they will be given the opportunity to purchase materials with their tiles. I'd always ask a customer if they want me to supply materials and then I give them the price for labour, the price for materials, and the all in price. This means they know your labour price so can balance it off better with other quotes that might be for labour only. If I quote £80 for materials, and they think I'm pulling a fast one and say "No, I'll get them", in which they spend £100, then it makes me look good into the bargain. :lol:

Also think it sounds better saying £xxpm + materials rather than having a much higher m2 price that has adhesive and grout built into it.
 
Ajax i must be sneakier than you mate, if you were dealing with me i would have done as you thought and knocked even more off, then i would have put my invented price on headed note paper photocopied from the original peoples , and it serves you right for trying to take more than one bight of the cherry :lol::lol::lol:


Been there Gooner - seen it many times. The key is to know the market and I can usually guess when I am being told porky's. The key is to not actually drop your prices. As for invented headed paper bear in mind that I have the resources available to me to check if you are a real company or not........business big brother and all that. I am not above ringing the phone number on your headed paper to ask why they are so dashed cheap either.

Having said that - I have fallen for your ploy a couple of times in the past ...... :yikes:
 
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