Should anyone let an UNQUALIFIED tradesman into their home?

[John Benton]

im no expert but i do a fair bit of cooking so can someone please explain the issues with the work top, tiling, grout and salmonella poisoning?
was the chicken raw or cooked? if prepared uncorrectly or the surface not disinfected then salmonella could result but thats true of any surface.

Don't prepare chicken on a wooden chopping board

 

[Time's Ran Out]

The issue I see with the OP (true tiling) question is not that we embrace yet another of the American suing culture, but how many qualified tilers - and with 39 years of experience I may be bold enough to include myself - are actually 'Qualified' to install 900x900mm tiles.
As new developments/technology such as fast set adhesives, underfloor heating, screeds and and very large format tiles all become the new norm, what training do any of us take to ensure that we are capable of delivering the safest installation.
As has often been stated on this forum, just because you have fixed tiles for years it doesn't mean you can turn out a good job, and for those who do - you still have no recognised qualification (as a Grandad I have NVQ 2 ).
If you want to drive on the roads, you have to have a license and that costs money.
If you want to belong to a golf club, you have to become a member and that costs money.
So why not pay to be assessed every year on all issues from Health and Safety to the latest product developments and receive a level of competence certificate which can be used to promote your own business.
It may not have any bearing on whether you can actually fix tiles to an acceptable standard, but at least you should have the knowledge to do the job properly and if this was a pre requisite for having an insurance policy then the customer may have the confidence to offer you the contract.
Now all we have to do is educate the customer to do the required homework before instructing a 'tiler' before the commencement of a project.

 

[geo147]

Don't prepare chicken on a wooden chopping board

i dont understand why not and i dont understand what thats got to do with the tiling/grout manslaughter case.

on the point of tiles falling a killing someone the question is where do you stop? what about people who put up shelves or doors or kitchen cabinets? they could all kill someone if they fell.

such legislation would mean the end of DIY. you would not be allowed to anything.

i would be interested to learn more about this death of the old lady case, i cant find anything about it on the internet and being such an unusual case, i would expect to find some information. the OP said he heard it from someone, is it possible something has been lost in translation?

thanks

 

[Ajax123]

Don't prepare chicken on a wooden chopping board

Why?? Wood has natural anti bacterial qualities and provided you clean it deter words whats the problem.....

 

[Ajax123]

im no expert but i do a fair bit of cooking so can someone please explain the issues with the work top, tiling, grout and salmonella poisoning?
was the chicken raw or cooked? if prepared uncorrectly or the surface not disinfected then salmonella could result but thats true of any surface.

I personally think the result of the salmonella case says more about the skill of the lawyers than about the quality of tiling.... Oh and the thoroughness of the poisonees housekeeping skills.......

 

[Ajax123]

i dont understand why not and i dont understand what thats got to do with the tiling/grout manslaughter case.

on the point of tiles falling a killing someone the question is where do you stop? what about people who put up shelves or doors or kitchen cabinets? they could all kill someone if they fell.

such legislation would mean the end of DIY. you would not be allowed to anything.

i would be interested to learn more about this death of the old lady case, i cant find anything about it on the internet and being such an unusual case, i would expect to find some information. the OP said he heard it from someone, is it possible something has been lost in translation?

thanks

Urban myth perhaps....

 

[Martino]

The old lady had a lawyer for a son........i reckon this is a case of Chinese whispers

 

[John Benton]

Why?? Wood has natural anti bacterial qualities and provided you clean it deter words whats the problem.....

I understood that the juices stayed in the knife marks but I suppose that could be of most surfaces if they are not cleaned properly. I stand corrected.

 

[afright]

Always said to the wife ,Don,t like chicken it can be dodgy,

 

[Ajax123]

Mostly eat chicken or fish. Never had food poisoning from either. Always make sure they're cooked properly. Provided salmonella is cooked properly it does not cause food poisoning. It dies at temperatures above about 55degrees centigrade. Most cases of salmonella poisoning are a result of eating either raw or uncooked food (cook it and problem is gone) or from eating food which has previously been cooked but subsequently contaminated. ( clean up properly after cooking and problem s gone)

Most domestic kitchens will have some salmonella kicking around but it is a numbers game

 

[widler]

Mostly eat chicken or fish. Never had food poisoning from either. Always make sure they're cooked properly. Provided salmonella is cooked properly it does not cause food poisoning. It dies at temperatures above about 55degrees centigrade. Most cases of salmonella poisoning are a result of eating either raw or uncooked food (cook it and problem is gone) or from eating food which has previously been cooked but subsequently contaminated. ( clean up properly after cooking and problem s gone)

Most domestic kitchens will have some salmonella kicking around but it is a numbers game

my mates just returned from a year in japan,he is back for a month then going back again teaching,we off diving tomorrow,happy days,anyway,he said the only thing he can't eat over there is the RAW chicken they serve up, WTF,raw chicken,they never heard of salmonella :13:

 

[geo147]

my mates just returned from a year in japan,he is back for a month then going back again teaching,we off diving tomorrow,happy days,anyway,he said the only thing he can't eat over there is the RAW chicken they serve up, WTF,raw chicken,they never heard of salmonella :13:

the reason is that the chicken over there will not be the cheap mass produced chicken we have here. remember that you can eat raw beef and raw fish. if it was a disease free chicken then you could eat it raw. i prefer all my food cooked and always make sure all kitchen surfaces are cleaned with a disenfectant

 

[AliGage]

the reason is that the chicken over there will not be the cheap mass produced chicken we have here. remember that you can eat raw beef and raw fish. if it was a disease free chicken then you could eat it raw. i prefer all my food cooked and always make sure all kitchen surfaces are cleaned with a disenfectant

I thought Japanese chicken was what we call "feline domesticus" or, what they are more commonly known as, Cat!

 

[jase158]

just to add my two cents, as a plumber.

There is nothing legislating anybody from going and fitting a bathroom, radiators or any other wet plumbing with absolutely no qualifications.
And on the Plumbing Forum we have a very similar conversation about the DIY'ers and the such stealing the work.

Big boat and we are all in it.

And remember when you are certified then you have to be inspected and checked on, which means if you make one mistake and this is the job you are pulled up on, then this will mean no more work for you.

 

[jase158]

also just thinking, but shouldn't cyclist be licensed so they know the rules of the road, shouldn't pedestrians be licensed to walk across a road, shouldn't beaches be licensed incase you get sand in your sandwiches, shouldn't swimming pools be licensed to only contain 1% wee and 99% water or chlorine, shouldn't painters be licensed incase they get paint in the customers eye and blind them.

I think you get my point, wheres the line?