tiling on outside patio concrete floor

[saarch]

Hi everyone

I am interested in getting my outside patio tiled and I have porcelain tiles 600mmx300mm and I want to lay them in brick effect. The floor is leveled and only jas a few paint marks om them (from painting my wall)
I was recommended by a bal customer service to get the stone and tile ptb but when I spoke to my tiler they said do not use a rapid set adhesive with large format tiles in a brick bond set. Theres a good chance the tiles will be slightly bowed as well which causes lipping. Is this true and can you recommend a product to use? Could I use bal part set flexible adhesive?
Also would I need anything else to lay down before onto the concrete before the adhesive (liquid membrane or anything else)

Kind regards

Sasha

 

[DHTiling]

You tiler said do not use rapid set with large format.. :lol: i suggest you look for a proper tiler.. the PTB by Bal is a good adhesive but not the cheapest around...

 

[Time's Ran Out]

As far as bowed tiles are concerned its easily checked and by using a wider joint it could be overcome.

 

[Houston]

regarding brick bond effect, if you bond them at a third it will help with lippage and as above a wider joint will help, but that depends on the type of tile

 

[MTiler]

You tiler said do not use rapid set with large format.. :lol: i suggest you look for a proper tiler.. the PTB by Bal is a good adhesive but not the cheapest around...

Im the tiler, and that wasnt exactly what I said. I suggest you get both sides first before making such remarks.
I went to see the job this evening, after several emails.

 

[Time's Ran Out]

Im the tiler, and that wasnt exactly what I said. I suggest you get both sides first before making such remarks.
I went to see the job this evening, after several emails.

With respect this thread was started 11 hours ago so if you have just been to see it perhaps there are other tilers involved as well!
As there was no other side to consider in the original post everyone is entitled to make a comment on the information provide. It would be more interesting to hear your take on the job rather than chastising other members - IMHO
!

 

[MTiler]

With respect this thread was started 11 hours ago so if you have just been to see it perhaps there are other tilers involved as well!
As there was no other side to consider in the original post everyone is entitled to make a comment on the information provide. It would be more interesting to hear your take on the job rather than chastising other members - IMHO
!

We'd swopped many emails yesturday,and I know exactly the comments he's referring to.

 

[widler]

To be really fair,why should a tiler be chastised for using standard set adhesive John. I know daves your mate and a good tiler,but I'd put money on his using standard set now and again,ain't you mate 😉

 

[Time's Ran Out]

To be really fair,why should a tiler be chastised for using standard set adhesive John. I know daves your mate and a good tiler,but I'd put money on his using standard set now and again,ain't you mate 😉

Chastised for using standard set adhesive!
Daves my mate!
He's a good tiler !

In the words of Meatloaf - 2 out of 3 ain't bad!

 

[Gazzer]

I cant see where Sharon is chastising anyone !
As usual the only words the OP has written dont ring true and we are only hearing one side of the story.

 

[widler]

So what's the problem with using standard set,just asking,cos I find rapid a bit,well rapid sometimes,fine if you wanna grout it same day but no point it no really 🙂

 

[widler]

Oh ffs ok ok,it's not chastising its ,erm,asking him nicely what the problem is,that better neale.
Sooooo what's the problem with using standard set,is rapid only for real tilers 🙂 (smilie face so as not to sound aggressive or bad tempered 🙂 )

 

[widler]

Off to bed now,gotta be up early to rip some scousers off plastering in elsmere early on 🙂

 

[Protilers]

there is nothing wrong with using standard set.........but......i ALWAYS use rapid on floors............that way (hopefully) it wont be all dented in by the time I return in the morning!....

 

[DHTiling]

My remark was why to not use rapid set , so maybe we can be enlightened instead of having a ***** fit. ???

Both can be used.

 

[Protilers]

My remark was why to not use rapid set , so maybe we can be enlightened instead of having a ***** fit. ???

Both can be used.

but rapid is more sensible tho'? as per my previous comments?.................hhhehhehehehheeeee...........

Dave......have you seen my drawing board lately?.......I need to get back to it!

hahahahhaahhhahaha

 

[DHTiling]

Well when tiling external i would prefer to use rapid , then it does not sit setting in lower overnight temps.. the OP said the tiler said not to use rapid , not me .. 🙂 i just questioned what the OP said.. if that is untrue then do not shoot me for replying to the OP..

 

[Protilers]

Anything external should be fixed in rapid IMO......and so should ALL Floors!......
there are a mutitude of reasons for this aside from the fact that some chap will come along and stomp all over what you have just installed......
The minute your back is turned he/she will be treading on it!...
as Dave pointed out there is also the frost/thaw effect...........or just rain.......for that matter........... exterior applications need to be completed quick smart........IMO

all the best

Lee

 

[gamma38]

I am doing a job at the moment which is outside using 600 x 300 porcelain brick bond, it's a mausoleum so it's covered but open to the elements. I'm using standard set for various reasons, the main one being my water supply is too far away to keep cleaning my gear, the temp is pretty stable up these parts at the moment so there is no worries there. But normally i would be using rapid for the reasons listed above. As far as people walking on them though, i don't have much to worry about....

They are all laying down and won't be moving any time soon.....

 

[Protilers]

I am doing a job at the moment which is outside using 600 x 300 porcelain brick bond, it's a mausoleum so it's covered but open to the elements. I'm using standard set for various reasons, the main one being my water supply is too far away to keep cleaning my gear, the temp is pretty stable up these parts at the moment so there is no worries there. But normally i would be using rapid for the reasons listed above. As far as people walking on them though, i don't have much to worry about....

They are all laying down and won't be moving any time soon.....

sounds fair to me............there are always exceptions to the rule.....but, in your case I would throw a WATERPROOF dust sheet over it at night.......that will stop any water/moisture getting into the joints.....

all the best

Lee

 

[Spud]

Rapid set is very much a UK preferenced adhesive , I didnt ever usr any rapid set when I worked in Germany ze germans dont like it as there is too much wasted adhesive ptb is wgreat adhesive for lsrge format as it slumps under the tile and gives full coverage but may not be right for your patio as it may need falls in it to control the water run off , I dont know what the best thing is for your patio as I haven't seen it .

 

[widler]

You tiler said do not use rapid set with large format.. :lol: i suggest you look for a proper tiler.. the PTB by Bal is a good adhesive but not the cheapest around...

I aint bitching dave, your post above just sounds like your bitching must be the way i read it mate !
Im all for rapid on floors, its what i use , but on a crappy little bathroom id possibly use standard.
As for outside, you and lee say using rapid is nearly a must as it will be open to the elements, i think possibly even a tiler should know not to tile outside if its going to freeze overnight,just like a brickie or plasterer would, and he defo would cover at night just in case it rains,or he should.
Obviously we get caught short at times with our unpredictable weather but it happens.

 

[DHTiling]

I can only say it again , I was not the one the OP said who advised them rapid set wasn't suitable for large format , why am I the bad guy ???

Like all threads started on here we can only go from go from what the thread starter says.

IMO rapid set or ptb IS Suitable for large format in external locations.

So look to who gave the advice to the thread starter at the visit to their house , not me.

 

[widler]

🙂 dave you ain't the bad guy,it's usually moi,it gets read wrong online,your a nice chap obviously,as I am 😉 like I said ont Internet it gets read completely wrong .
Have a good day,oh by the way,I have now finished for 2 weeks,turkey tomorrow 😉

 

[cam_low]

I hate having to use rapid in these London temperatures however its a must on all stone floors too. I am way too ocd about clean trowels and buckets. rapid set is my nemesis over the aforementioned items !

 

[widler]

I agree cam,rapid is horrid in hot weather,but in my experience standard set sets quick enough in hot weather,I'm almost positive that standard is used in hot country's as it goes off just as quick as rapid does in cold climates .
I used standard on a slate job in a orange house in hot weather last year,went of like the clappers

 

[Andy Allen]

most hot country's still use sand and cement..

 

[widler]

most hot country's still use sand and cement..

Ok

 

[Andy Allen]

no prob's..:smilewinkgrin: