Time to bring out Big Dave!

[merlecollins]

Sounded good though:lol:

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

no, but only had to do it once ( and my work was belt and braces) got paid as I was leaving the office shrugging my shoulders tho'

:lol::lol::lol:

 

[Spud]

There is a tiling contractor in London who are notoriously poor payers they have an established name but are run by messers who like mucking their fixers about ,story has it that one subbie walked into their office after weeks/months of being told that they hadnt recieved his invoice and it was the royal mail at fault , he walked into their head quaters and nailed his invoice with a hammer and nail to the managing directors desk ,they called the police but he left with full payment of his invoice and it goes to show that a lot of companies will use brinksmanship and leave it until they really have no other choice other than to pay their bills

 

[Pebbs]

Guys your right 2 wrongs dont make a right. Sometimes you have to stand up to these people though. I know the way they think...silly cow can wait, sweet talk her she'll manage for another week. Basically 90% of my clients are scumbags, the majority of main contractors are lets face it. All they think about is knocking your account, holding back retentions, getting their bonus, hoping you will throw them a back hander, or giving them some kind of sexual favor in return for a contract. (and before anyone asks no I never have).

Life is bloody hard, all I want is my money for the work we have done so far, I think thats fair. If they want to play silly buggers, I wont have no men on that site after 11.00am tomorrow I can promise you that much.

Lynn

 

[doug boardley]

I'm not big or brave enough to go in gung ho ( well maybe not big enough!)

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

there is a lot of this around at the mo, as money becomes scarce, we must all be vigilant at this Bad time, as we as tradesmen are at the bottom of the list

 

[Spud]

dont take it persoanal Lynn, these guys sole purpose is to save/make their companies as much money as possible and they dont care whom its from ,they are trained for it, it doesnt feel good when you are on the recieveing end of it and i agree they are worse than traffic wardens :ban:

 

[user123]

Guys your right 2 wrongs dont make a right. Sometimes you have to stand up to these people though. I know the way they think...silly cow can wait, sweet talk her she'll manage for another week. Basically 90% of my clients are scumbags, the majority of main contractors are lets face it. All they think about is knocking your account, holding back retentions, getting their bonus, hoping you will throw them a back hander, or giving them some kind of sexual favor in return for a contract. (and before anyone asks no I never have).

Life is bloody hard, all I want is my money for the work we have done so far, I think thats fair. If they want to play silly buggers, I wont have no men on that site after 11.00am tomorrow I can promise you that much.

Lynn

Well, good luck, Lynn .... don't make any enemies....

 

[merlecollins]

Generally, after being financially messed around for a while, the removal of men from site does the trick - sad but true.

Then after that, it's always the last payment - when all the works are done - that you have to worry about

 

[doug boardley]

Generally, after being financially messed around for a while, the removal of men from site does the trick - sad but true.

Then after that, it's always the last payment - when all the works are done - that you have to worry about

it's funny how the goalposts always change, come final payment day:mad2:

 

[merlecollins]

it's funny how the goalposts always change, come final payment day

Thats when the games reach their pinacle:mad2:

When they think you're desperate and you'll agree to anything:mad2:

I've seen Balfour Beatty pull out photos of empty tile boxes, at a Bannantyne Leisure Club Final Account meeting, and say they were going to charge me for tidying up my mess:incazzato: I promptly pointed out my tilers foot and a section of his cutting machine in the corner of the photo and suggested that he was still bl**dy working there and they should get a better photographer:incazzato: That one ended quite amicably and light hearted - I think they were most embarrassed:lol:

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Guys your right 2 wrongs dont make a right. Sometimes you have to stand up to these people though. I know the way they think...silly cow can wait, sweet talk her she'll manage for another week. Basically 90% of my clients are scumbags, the majority of main contractors are lets face it. All they think about is knocking your account, holding back retentions, getting their bonus, hoping you will throw them a back hander, or giving them some kind of sexual favor in return for a contract. (and before anyone asks no I never have).
Life is bloody hard, all I want is my money for the work we have done so far, I think thats fair. If they want to play silly buggers, I wont have no men on that site after 11.00am tomorrow I can promise you that much.

Lynn

Lynn have only done this a few times, good luck for tomorrow

 

[SandyFloor]

The sad fact is ( and has been for many years) that main contractors tender for these jobs at cost and sometimes even at a loss. They make their money from extras. I've had that from the chief QS's on several occasions. If they can't do it from extras they screw the subbies. I got that from the junior QS's.

This is one of the reasons I got out of the construction industry years ago. On hindsight I wasn't as ruthless as the financial directors. If I went there again I reckon I would have to resort to much more unscrupulous practices.

 

[doug boardley]

Lynn have only done this a few times, good luck for tomorrow

Jeez Phil, I've justd wasted two nostrils full of wine reading that:lol::lol::8:

 

[mikethetile]

I dont need a big Dave, I get paid what im owed if they know whats good for them

years ago when I was running 12 chippies on a mowlem job, the job was behind schedule and they were into penalties, not our fault we can only fix what was ready to fix and as it happened we were at 120% on the schedule and would have been further ahead if the brickies werent so far behind

I was in a fix , I was owed over 70k and the bank wouldnt pay the wage bill again if I didnt get some money in

I had a simple choice , pay the lads or deal with the consequences. the least of which was they would walk leaving me unable to finish the job and so geting hit by mowlems

or get payment, any payment would have calmed my bank manager down

I tried talking reasonably and failed to get anywhere, they were going to share the pain between the subbies regardless of who was at fault

I lost my rag went out to the van for a paslode and went back into the office

first nail throgh the door into the frame

second nail through his tie, his paperwork and his desk

with him now captive on the desk and in a state of shock I put the gun against his head

by this time he was hysterical and promised to raise payment

I released him as I had calmed down and the reality of what I had just done was sinking in

he got on the phone and got the full amount transfered into my bank account while I sat there, took about 15 minutes

I was just wondering how to get the door open when it came flying open and the law stood outside, I was areested and charged

I had to reprt to the police station every week untill it went to court

mowlems refused me back on site and my foreman had to run the job

In court the magistrate accepted that I had been provoked by their actions and didnt refer it to crown court as he believed a jury would lbe more likely clear me than find me guilty

so I was bound over to keep the peace for two years

the moral of the story is , yes you get paid. but you also get blacklisted and no other main contractor will risk employing you

fortunatly another chippie I know had just picked up a large contract so could take all the lads on when mowlems job finished, but he couldnt take me as I was blacked

that was my last day on site


so be warned , the right way is the legal way