Vote Leave Or Vote Remain?

[macten]

Police have found a clue:

 

[Ajax123]

if we want true democracy in this country then we need a second electoral chamber not a house for has been politicians were over 800 claim there expense's and pompous privilege's for doing absolutely nothing

why do we need a second chamber.... why not just abolish the house of lords and have one electoral chamber....

 

[Concrete guy]

why do we need a second chamber.... why not just abolish the house of lords and have one electoral chamber....

There needs to be someone keeping an eye on the decision makers, just in case.

Whilst the Lords is historically a plutocracy it has had some reform and doesn't carry the same clout it used to. This reform could be extended further though.

 

[macten]

Switzerland have the right idea - a direct democracy.
If enough people want to reject a law it's put to a vote and the people decide.

 

[macten]

One of the wealthiest and happiest countries in the world apparently.... coincidence?

 

[On one]

I agree with the comment about Osbourne, I can't see how he can stay.

He's been conspicuous by his absence since Friday morning.

I was going to say when did MP's work weekend's, then I thought when do they work 40 odd hours Monday to Friday!

 

[On one]

I disagree, Cameron called the referendum to win votes in the last general election and it worked.

The last thing he expected though was for the populous to vote out, that really wasn't part of the plan. As he campaigned heavily for Remain his position became untenable the moment the result was declared.

He had to resign as you couldn't have a prime minter that voted to remain then left to negotiate the exit.

He hasn't played a blinder, he's shot himself in the foot and created the situation we now find ourselves in.

As we stand right now we are still members of the EU and no intention to leave has been formally issued to the EU. The Uk public by a 4% margin has stated to the government that we would like to leave the EU.

The Govt now has to put together a team of people to deal with this, which is no mean feat. The conservatives also have to have a leadership election to elect a new PM who will guide the Exit process.

Once this has happened Article 50 will be instigated and the 2 year leave process will start. No one in the EU has the power to tell us when to instigate article 50, that is the right of the country wanting to leave and their right alone.

The earliest Brexit will even start is October.

The only two people that can really be considered for the PM job are Boris or Michael Gove given their stand with the Leave campaign. That said, whoever takes the PM job will only last as long as the exit takes or until the next general election as it will be a thankless task.

So......not for the first time we get an Prime Minister that the public did not vote for?

 

[Concrete guy]

Switzerland have the right idea - a direct democracy.
If enough people want to reject a law it's put to a vote and the people decide.

They have a population of around 8 million people though and have grown up with the system.

I can't see it working here with a population north of 65 million.

 

[Concrete guy]

So......not for the first time we get an Prime Minister that the public did not vote for?

This isn't America, we don't vote for a Prime Minister (president) we vote for a political party.

The Party chooses internally who heads it up.

 

[MTiler]

I disagree, Cameron called the referendum to win votes in the last general election and it worked.

The last thing he expected though was for the populous to vote out, that really wasn't part of the plan. As he campaigned heavily for Remain his position became untenable the moment the result was declared.

He had to resign as you couldn't have a prime minter that voted to remain then left to negotiate the exit.

He hasn't played a blinder, he's shot himself in the foot and created the situation we now find ourselves in.

As we stand right now we are still members of the EU and no intention to leave has been formally issued to the EU. The Uk public by a 4% margin has stated to the government that we would like to leave the EU.

The Govt now has to put together a team of people to deal with this, which is no mean feat. The conservatives also have to have a leadership election to elect a new PM who will guide the Exit process.

Once this has happened Article 50 will be instigated and the 2 year leave process will start. No one in the EU has the power to tell us when to instigate article 50, that is the right of the country wanting to leave and their right alone.

The earliest Brexit will even start is October.

The only two people that can really be considered for the PM job are Boris or Michael Gove given their stand with the Leave campaign. That said, whoever takes the PM job will only last as long as the exit takes or until the next general election as it will be a thankless task.

Exactly, whoever takes over is stuffed. He played a blinder leaving now and not instigating Article 50 and leaving it to the mug who takes over, hopefully Boris who was after his job.

 

[Concrete guy]

Exactly, whoever takes over is stuffed. He played a blinder leaving now and not instigating Article 50 and leaving it to the mug who takes over, hopefully Boris who was after his job.

He didn't play anything, he had no choice.

I guarantee when he first offered the idea of a referendum it didn't come with the idea he would have to resign immediately after the result.

There's a huge difference in timing your step down perfectly (Tony B Liar) and having to step down because a vote has blown up in your face.

 

[dave l and l]

think he played it the only way he could , he could not be pm and lead the country out of the eu when he disagrees with the decision in the first place, the next pm is going to have a very hard job, especially as they will have to implement article 50 .
boris being pm is a terrible idea. he is a total pellet,
there is alot to go through, holyrood is looking into eu talks for scotland, the snp are talking independence again.
labour are falling apart again,
more to the point i wish a had ordered euros a couple of weeks ago

 

[Just Rizzle]

what is scaring Europe is the fact we had the bottle to tell them weve had enough . spain has been to the polls today will be a interesting.
also Obama has been changing his tune, just read he wants to evoke our special relationship and wants to start talks on a trade deal the q must be short also our past trading partners Canada. Australia , New Zealand ALSO looking to strike deals also China . already out and been courted as the 5th largest economy in the world people want our goods and services and even the countries in the eu are wanting a trade deal mainly the Germans and Italians THEY need us more than we need them in the long term. after all we all buy Italian tiles

 

[dave l and l]

i dont think they need us more than we need them
and france overtook us as the 5th largest economy two days ago i believe

 

[White Room]

i dont think they need us more than we need them
and france overtook us as the 5th largest economy two days ago i believe

I read that aswell, suddenly we become the 6th richest country......infamy infamy there've got it infamy.