which montolit and advice please

[andy-p]

this is aimed at andy-p..

the best way to describe my change of opinion is like this....

liverpool had a number 7 called kevin keegan. i thought he was irreplacable and the best!!!! and then we signed kenny dalglish!!! are you getting my drift lol

seriously, the ti-66s is a good cutter and i still would rather have one than a ts60 plus. it has a some good selling points. the price, the weight, the moveable breaker, the breaking power, the measuring gauge but now that i have had the benefit of using the montolit my opinion has changed..

rubi will sell lots, montolit and sigma wont lose any customers and the world will keep turning......anyway, when you put your hand in your pocket and buy both then you are entitled to change your mind :hang:

For gods sake, dont anybody tell me that sigma are the best. ive spent enough

good answer tb!!! the reason i had wee dig was i was looking to replace my ts70+ as its hopeless, now monty as far as i know dont do a 75 cutter so i was gonna get the sigma , i already have a smaller sigma so i know how good they are, dont like the rubi tx range too heavy and fiddly to use, anyway saw the rubi ts 75 push and thought that looked the job, so done a bit of research and came across your review and that kinda clinched it, so i ordered one up, so when i read you had jumped ship i thinks wtf!!! :furious3: im still waiting on it being delivered but i have no regrets mate i know its gonna do the job, just thought id have a wee pop at you tho good buddy ... :lol:

 

[tiler burden]

hi andy

dont know how to break this to you mate put montolit do a masterpiuma 75 cutter and a 93!

but your rubi will be fine.if you dont like it afterall, stick it on ebay. you will get 160 back all day long.

trust me, if plasplugs bring out a cutter next week and i like it more than the monti, then expect another jump!! i look at it this way, i am oiling the coggs of the economic wheel. while everyone is clinging onto there money, i'm blowing mine

anyway, its only my opinion. when dave, sWe, gaz, dan, wetdec, sir ram, mz30, garythetiler, pete, or any other pro in the know voice there opinion, thats when its time to sit up and take notice..

ps, i'll take it off your hands if you dont like it, cant say fairer than that ;0)

ed

 

[andy-p]

ah well sh*t appens.. but im gonna replace my ts30 with the mini monty or wait maybe the siggy .. certainly i will never get another cutter with 2 rails or without a moveable breaker..

 

[andy-p]

i managed to cancel the rubi ti-75 push before it was delivered, so what cutter do i go for , sigma or monty ?? cmon guys help me out here !! i should add i already own a smaller siggy but ive never seen a monty in the flesh...

 

[grumpygrouter]

I'm a monty man myself. Never used a Sigma though! if I needed a new cutter, it would be hard for me to move to anything else cos mine does all I ask it to!

 

[grumpygrouter]

Sigma are the best

I have heard people say this before Neale, why exactly?

 

[tiler burden]

i cant really see that much of a difference between sigma and montolit.

i honestly believe push scribing cutters on larger machines are easier on the wrist long term. although sigma do push scribing. but i think the 2nd flick down breaker on the montolit for mosaics gives it the edge imo.. really nothing in it in between these 2 brands..ferrari and lamborghini, rubi seat lol only kidding

wheres sWe when you need him!! hes used all the sigma range and he decided to go for monti, so hes the the real 'pro in the know' were this thread is concerned....oh sWe, come out to playyyy

 

[sWe]

Well... Sigmas are generally sightly less fiddly than Monties, but the quality of the cut of the MasterPiuma is a bit better than anything I've tried from Sigma, especially on REALLY hard tiles. I haven't tried the Sigma klick-klock breaker though, so I don't have an opinion there.

Sigma has made a few design choices which are better than Montolit's, and the opposite is equally true. Both brands have quirks you need to work around a bit, but that's true for all brands.

It's mostly a question of finding the solution you like the best, and I've chosen Montolit, because of the quality of the cut, and the general feel. Monty cutters are also slightly lighter than Sigma cutters of equal size, and paradoxically, they sit better, in my experience.

A side note: I had a chat with a guy from Montolit, and suggested a few improvements, and he said most of my suggestions had already been thought of, and were being implemented in their next generation cutters, which they are going to launch in like a year or so.

 

[grumpygrouter]

Well... Sigmas are generally sightly less fiddly than Monties, but the quality of the cut of the MasterPiuma is a bit better than anything I've tried from Sigma, especially on REALLY hard tiles. I haven't tried the Sigma klick-klock breaker though, so I don't have an opinion there.

Sigma has made a few design choices which are better than Montolit's, and the opposite is equally true. Both brands have quirks you need to work around a bit, but that's true for all brands.

It's mostly a question of finding the solution you like the best, and I've chosen Montolit, because of the quality of the cut, and the general feel. Monty cutters are also slightly lighter than Sigma cutters of equal size, and paradoxically, they sit better, in my experience.

A side note: I had a chat with a guy from Montolit, and suggested a few improvements, and he said most of my suggestions had already been thought of, and were being implemented in their next generation cutters, which they are going to launch in like a year or so.

Ooooh! come on sWe, spill the beans........

 

[sWe]

Well, for starters, I suggested that they make the push cutters with the scale on the left side, seeing how most people are right handed, and therefore spend most of the time on the left side of the cutter. If you're almost blind, like me, it would be preferable to having to lean over and squint to be able to see the ****ing scale :rofl: Especially true on their larger cutters... I also said "I realize you did that so you wouldn't have to develop separate bases for the push and pull cutters, but synergies aren't always good".

What was it more... Hmmm... I used their web site mailing form, so I don't have a copy of the mail I sent, just the reply....... Thinking... The guy who replied was Stefano Montoli btw.

Oh yeah, they were going to implement quick change scoring wheels so you don't need to rumage through your tool box for a centre punch and a hammer to change scoring wheel. I mean, what's the point of having neat little storage compartments for wheels on the cutter if ya need tools to change them?

And he said my suggestion about having the scale uniform, ie having both the 90 deg and the 45 deg scale on a tape with white background and black/blue/whatever numbers, was going to be considered. I mean, ffs, I can't always lug around a 500 watt lamp, just to be able to be able to bloody see the f-ing chrome indentations on the main scale bar, or the red ones on the small flip bar on the left...

I also suggested ball bearings, because we all like those, don't we?

And oh, I said the sliding gauge could use a little improvement, seeing how you actually have to use a tile to guide the guide into the position you want it, cuz otherwise it'll go off by a mm or two when you tighten it... The edge of the gauge should, imo, actually cover the scale, instead of leaving a two mm gap. No biggy, but a quirk, none the less.

Anyways, he said some of the suggestions were going to be implemented, and and some were going to be considered, because "the good quality of our tools depends on your indications."

The beans have been spilled. Over to you Grumpy.

 

[andy-p]

thanks guys for the input!! im leaning towards a push cutter, cos i think in smaller areas it might sit better, i was using a borrowed sigma 93 and i kept tripping over the huge measuring bar at the bottom, this is what slightly put me off the 75 version, as far as i know the push siggys only come in 43 and 63 sizes.. what weight is the monty 75 and what about build quality compared to the mighty sigmas ??

 

[sWe]

Monty MP75P2 weighs in at 9,2kg. Sigma 4AK (71cm) 12.3kg, Sigma 4a (75cm) 12.3kg, Sigma 3DK (90cm) 12.8kg, etc etc. Sigma does have a compact range however; 2B3 (66cm) weighs in at 5.6kg, but it's really narrow, and I don't think it has foldable supports, which would be kind of necessary for anything but 50/50 cuts on that size tiles...

Build quality on both Sigma and Montolit is good, though, tell you the truth, I had to replace a brand new Sigma once because it's rail was uneaven.

 

[andy-p]

looks like a monty then , kwiksplit the best place to buy??

 

[andy-p]

well ive sold ma soul to the devil and came over to the dark side.. ordered the monty 75 from kwiksplit today, coming on monday, does it come with a free light sabre ?? :lol:

 

[grumpygrouter]

well ive sold ma soul to the devil and came over to the dark side.. ordered the monty 75 from kwiksplit today, coming on monday, does it come with a free light sabre ?? :lol:

Don't know but they cut tiles like they do.:lol: