Will it bring the earnings down?

[Varley]

this falls back to the original question posed....even if these tile training places issue bits of paper stating the you have attended and trained there..does this make you experienced enough to actually go out into the work enviroment? ...i dont really think it does,could you learn to do another manual trade after such a short period of time??,i very much doubt you could.........

No certificate in the world makes you experienced m8, that just takes time, nobody has experience when they first start to do something new, but qualifications help (a little) to satandardise the industry, imo all trades and skills should be standardised and should be a legal requirement, stop the people who just decide one morning that they can tile then start ripping people off right left and centre doing very shoddy work because they were never taught that there is in fact a technique and knowledge involved, your not just sticking tiles to walls. So to answer your question no, a 'bit of paper' does not make me experienced, but it gives me the knowledge i need to go out and get that experience.

 

[kapitan]

its just struck me! the business to get into is selling tiling tools!! all these punters coming out of 4 day training courses, its a licence to print money!! i wonder how much dave from tradertilers turnover has went up ??? kerching!!

 

[epoxy pete]

your very right about your last comment,but,who is it you actually practice your newly found skills on to start with?,theres only so many friends houses you can tile i guess,and how do you know if your doing something the right way first time round,with no one there to tell you different??,im sure these guys cant remember everything they have been told in a cram packed week...i certainly couldnt!!! its a much better option to attend at least a college course or similar with a realistic time frame for practical skill learning and assesment evaluation and gain a true and realistic grasp of the trade and techniques required to work within your choosen trade.

 

[kapitan]

ive read a few scary things on forums recently!! one was im going to give up my 30k job and go on a tiling course!! another was looking for advice , he was fully tiling somebodys bathroom with marble and wanted to know which trowel to use?? im thinkin if you dont even know which feckin trowel to use should you really be doing this!! :confused_smile:

 

[Concept PHT]

your very right about your last comment,but,who is it you actually practice your newly found skills on to start with?,theres only so many friends houses you can tile i guess,and how do you know if your doing something the right way first time round,with no one there to tell you different??,im sure these guys cant remember everything they have been told in a cram packed week...i certainly couldnt!!! its a much better option to attend at least a college course or similar with a realistic time frame for practical skill learning and assesment evaluation and gain a true and realistic grasp of the trade and techniques required to work within your choosen trade.

I couldn't agree more mate

 

[Varley]

Now that i have absolutely no arguement with epoxy, bang on m8. The 4 day course i attended was absolutely spot on, but i did a lot of tiling before i ever dared to take on a payed job, i have spent a little time with more experienced tilers on a few little jobs aswell. I think it would be very foolish to come off a course and expect to be the best of the best and I certainly don't pretend to be as good as tiliers who have been doing it for years. Most of my jobs are kitchen splashbacks, kitchen, bathroom & conservatory floors, and as i posted in the gallery page have only recently took on the job of my first fully tiled bathroom as a payed job. Slowly slowly is the key, only take on jobs you know 100% you can do to a professional standard. I certainly don't practice anything on a customers job but i cannot speak for everyone.

 

[dobragol]

hi i'm a polish tiler multitrader (tiling ,plastering,painting ,carpentry,plumbing)working in london area (6 years experience).i've got plenty of work last couple of years,never been advertised anywhere just word of mouth,never had any complaints about my job,earning same money like english tilers so not all foreigners are cheaper.if you have any questions just ask.DAMIAN

 

[Dan]

Hiya mate, welcome to the forums

 

[Concept PHT]

Welcome to the forums damian, your input is as valuable as everybody elses - experienced or not

 

[totaltiling]

try coming to london boys you trip over em on the way out to the van in the morning .

 

[M D HUGHES]

OK..... I think it was Epoxy Pete I said had a bad taste in his mouth, but after a few days onsite with a guy who had only just finished a course with no onsite experience can see your point. I think I may have been a little hasty in my vocalising about myself and my 4 day course. I really didn't think I would come across people with absolutley no experience in the building trade trying to work for themsleves around this environment (chippies, sparks, fitters etc) ,straight, green as grass, but I have now and see it is happening.
My appologies mate, I shouldn't assume everyone else going into this has experience in the building trade even to the tiniest extent, even handling work collegues is a skill in itself at times not just the practical side of the job.

To the Polish Builder, What are official skills required to do what you do in Poland. Is it apprenterships, college etc? not just tiling I'm talking building in general. Is it a lot less red tape or what?

 

[M D HUGHES]

hi i'm a polish tiler multitrader (tiling ,plastering,painting ,carpentry,plumbing)working in london area (6 years experience).i've got plenty of work last couple of years,never been advertised anywhere just word of mouth,never had any complaints about my job,earning same money like english tilers so not all foreigners are cheaper.if you have any questions just ask.DAMIAN

Are you self employed?

 

[christo]

Hell all ,i`m taking a tiling course this weekend ,plasterer by trade ,my mate as been a tiler for 24 years and he priced a job last week and got the job ,the a new tiler who`s just been on a course put a price in for £5 m2 ,my mate went of it ,we get this kind of thing with new plasterers if they are going to charge silly prices ,they`ed be better off with a day job

 

[Concept PHT]

A tiler for £5 psm? Unfortunately you get that mate - the midlands is full of 'tilers' like that.

As the saying goes, the customer will get what they pay for.....

 

[Varley]

Hell all ,i`m taking a tiling course this weekend ,plasterer by trade ,my mate as been a tiler for 24 years and he priced a job last week and got the job ,the a new tiler who`s just been on a course put a price in for £5 m2 ,my mate went of it ,we get this kind of thing with new plasterers if they are going to charge silly prices ,they`ed be better off with a day job

Absolutely ridiculous! People like that gonna ruin this trade!