Vario pro

[Flintstone]

Been asked to tile a floor, 20m over a sand and cement screed that's literally not been laid yet and they don't want to wait for 100+ days
Has anyone used vario pro over a screed in this situation? I know they say you can do it, I was recommended using tilemaster ultimate, any more thoughts?

 

[Flintstone]

If the moisture escapes around the perimeter, do you need to leave the skirting boards off etc for a certain amount of time ?

 

[Flintstone]

Tumble weed!

 

[Bill]

Use a green screed adhesive.

 

[Simons70]

I never wait more then 2-3 days to tile onto screed.In Italy is common practice to do the screed by tiler,in this way no excuses if is not flat.I can't see the reason for wait to dry if you fix tile.For wood is another discussion but not for tiles.
IMO better if is not fully dry,in this way is more strong.

 

[Flintstone]

Bloody hell Simon

 

[Simons70]

Think at method to tile fixed directly on screed,all Lidl is done in this way and is nice and strong floor.Couple of years ago we use to replace tiles in Asda,Tesco,Morrison but never Lidl,no fails there.

 

[Flintstone]

the main issue here is electric under floor heating, you wouldn't want to be sticking insulation boards over a wet screed surely

 

[Simons70]

the main issue here is electric under floor heating, you wouldn't want to be sticking insulation boards over a wet screed surely

You have to use water anyway.

 

[Spare Tool]

the main issue here is electric under floor heating, you wouldn't want to be sticking insulation boards over a wet screed surely

Long as the boards are waterproof and all joints tapped I can't see a problem, all your doing is creating a vapour barrier, leave 15mil round perimeter and fix boards with TM ultimate.
Never fitted Vario pro so no idea on that..

 

[Flintstone]

im not sure it's suitable for pouring slc over tho Andy and I'm not one for tiling straight to wires, I thought vario pro would be the ideal here. What I would like to know is if the vario pro matting has any insulating properties as it's a big old bit of screed to suck up the warmth if not

 

[Spare Tool]

Like I say don't know about the vario, I wouldn't tile directly over the wires either, but you could fix 3 strips of ins board round perimeter and stop the leveler, or would it really matter, moisture will still escape.

 

[Tile seller]

The 'vario pro' mat still requires insulation underneath it. The mat its offers very little in the way of insulation.

 

[J Sid]

doesn't Schluter do one with insulation built in?

 

[Flintstone]

So what's the best way to do what I'm wanting to do? Is it ok to lay insulation boards with ultimate, they lay vario pro and tile with seta flex on the screed after a week or two

 

[Tile seller]

One of the advantages of the vario system is that its possible to tile directly onto it without screeding first.
The wires recessed so the trowel wont nick them. Just fill the voids in the mat with addy as you go. Quick, simple and easy.

 

[Italy]

I never wait more then 2-3 days to tile onto screed.In Italy is common practice to do the screed by tiler,in this way no excuses if is not flat.I can't see the reason for wait to dry if you fix tile.For wood is another discussion but not for tiles.
IMO better if is not fully dry,in this way is more strong.

what ?, repeat the offending sentence ahahah

 

[Flintstone]

One of the advantages of the vario system is that its possible to tile directly onto it without screeding first.
The wires recessed so the trowel wont nick them. Just fill the voids in the mat with addy as you go. Quick, simple and easy.

I know!

 

[Flintstone]

doesn't Schluter do one with insulation built in?

Not sure about that! I think they are going for vario.
So, is it safe to lay the insulation boards over the screed then lay the vario ? Surely the vario can't do its job if there's insulation ?

 

[J Sid]

can't see the point of the uncoupling mat if you put insulation board under it. What do Vario recommend?
and yes Schluter do one with built in insulation.

 

[Flintstone]

I was under the impression and informed by two sources that you had to put a mat down in the form of vario pro, or durabase in order to tile over a screed quickly without the drying time, is that not right?

 

[Flintstone]

Not spoke to vario direct but that's probably next thing To do

 

[J Sid]

if they want ufh and the screed is green then go for it without the board under it. It won't affect the heat up time or running costs to much.
know idea how the Schluter one with insulation compares in price.
Schlüter®-DITRA-HEAT | Function | Schlüter-Systems - http://www.schluter.co.uk/ditra-heat.aspx

 

[Flintstone]

I think the ditra is more expensive Julian, and it's not a high price job, it's about 20sq.
Do you think it's necessary to leave skirting off while the screed dries ?

 

[J Sid]

realistically how long is it going to be from screed going down till you have tiled it ready for skirting? 4 or 5 weeks? Put skirting on.

 

[Italy]

You do not use these products in the uk?
sand cement, premixed and rapid.
after 24 hours, you can lay tiles

 

[Flintstone]

I like Name pronto!
Not sure if that stuff exists here or if eBay would even be suitable for a 20m floor area at 75mm thick. You would need a lot of bags!

 

[Simons70]

I like Name pronto!
Not sure if that stuff exists here or if eBay would even be suitable for a 20m floor area at 75mm thick. You would need a lot of bags!

ARDEX A 35 Ultra Rapid Drying Cement for Internal Screeds Features
• Walkable in 3 hours
• Receives ceramic and natural stone tiles directly after 24 hours
You have to add sand.

 

[Dumbo]

Then of course their is the ardex price premium to consider .

 

[Simons70]

Then of course their is the ardex price premium to consider .

I think is around 25-30£,you need 4-5.