365drills needs YOUR help. Feedback required from you re advert National newspapers

Re: 365drills needs YOUR help. Feedback required from you re advert National newspap

Richard

You wanted the replies to be thought proviking......

Why the Sun?

Yes it has a huge circulation, but the vast majority of those people wouldn't be interested, I think because the product is too specialised, a bit like advertising fast setting tile adhesive in the Sun. Besides anyone can now walk into B&Q or Focus and buy these types of drills now.

Unless you're getting the advertising space very cheap then I personally think your money could be better spent elsewhere.

There are a huge range of builder's rags that are better placed for this. Alternitively there are still a number of homebuilding magazines. Screwfix does well in the taboids because their stock is broad enough to appeal to most (men like power tools etc). Bizarrly enough if you bundled your bits with a cheap sexy looking cordless drill you may do better!

Sun readers range from truck drivers to canteen staff to site workers to anyone who is waiting for a takeaway. Although there will be many DIYers within the Sun readership, you are focusing on one of many DIY areas in the house. Also, if you were advertising a clever little paint gadget then I would say the appeal is mainstream enough to justify the Sun. Also, most people still think you can drill through any tile with a masonery bit, they don't yet know that you can't, so they will be thinking that they can put a mirror up with a masonery bid at £1 or so, why spend £50? Most bathrooms are still tiled in ceramics and the first thing the average DIY monkey will do is try a masonery bit, and will probably succeed.

Also, the vast majority of people who do need such a drill and know that they do, will not need the £50 set containing the larger drills. They will only need the 6mm and 8mm bits, these are what you should really be pushing, explaining that larger sizes are also available. Then you can go in at £29.99 or so.

If you're going to go with the Sun, then you need Nicki or someone else who can add similar glamour to the product to feature, not some fat bloke on the bottom left hand corner holding a phone to his ear. Most blokes stop flicking though the paper when they see a good looking young lady, that's why Yes Car Credit etc were so popular in there. They had pretty ladies in whos' mouths butter wouldn't melt, and presentible families getting into their new family hatchbacks, not some fat bloke on the DSS getting into a 2 year old Vectra, although the fat bloke on the DSS was probably fairly representative of a large part of their market.

Anyway those are just my thoughts Richard. It's a good product but you will no doubt know that competition is creeping in now. Both Focus and B&Q stock similar products, though not as cheap as yours. I feel that although you were first in the market place this product is fast becoming commonplace, so the cutting edge technology you are claiming probably isn't that cutting edge anymore.

Sorry to be so 'thought provoking'.

...awaits the hate mail 😳
 
Re: 365drills needs YOUR help. Feedback required from you re advert National newspap

hello,
i dont usually post replies however i feel quite strongly that you shouldnt go ahead with this advert and should spend your money elsewhere. I dont know exactly how much this advert is going to cost ,but can you realistically see yourself making that back plus profit?

Me personally I think its a good product and as a tiler I wouldnt look twice at the advert. So with this in mind consider what the average sun reader would think.

You are targeting a very niche market, your taget customers are :

Tilers, Plumbers or Bathroom fitters - who are already aware of products like these.

D.I.Yers that happen to be tiling there bathroom and also need to drill holes - a very niche type of d.i.yer

I hope i havnt caused offence and I truly wish you the best of luck , But im sure your advertising budget would be more well spent elsewhere.
 
Re: 365drills needs YOUR help. Feedback required from you re advert National newspap

I have a fair idea of where this add will be placed in The Sun and I know that most people (me included) fly through that section because it's just full of naff products that you can buy in a 'handy 24 month instalment plan' or it's JML. I think you're doing yourself a dis-service by putting your product next to theirs.

I don't think that many people read The Sun for news they read it for a bit of light hearted entertainment or the sport... which brings me to my next point. Screw Fix has been running a small ad on the back page for months on and off. It's distanced its self from the naff products and it also targets its ads for the trade. Far from putting the DIYer off because it's for the trade, it actually encourages them, as straight away it gives the product or company credibility. I would see how the cost for the back page compares
 
Re: 365drills needs YOUR help. Feedback required from you re advert National newspap

oh, on another note, i've been meaning to tell you that when I try to go on your site my anti-virus software (Kaspersky) goes mad. it didn't do this before, just since last week

when i go to open it, it says

Web Anti-Virus

File contains Trojan programe. You are advised to terminate the download

Trojan Program:
Trojan-downloader.JS.Agent.dmt
 
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Re: 365drills needs YOUR help. Feedback required from you re advert National newspap

I like the ad. I'd remove or move the TTA logo though personally, or charge them for your spot. After all, who knows the TTA who reads the paper, they could assume the TTA are even selling the thing for all they know, should they just glance, and they will in the paper I guess.

I couldn't find a reason why - but I'd make the "Save £70" a bit smaller than the "Just 49.99" - Or perhaps I'm thinking have the 49.99 massive. Or perhaps the other way around, as we read left to right, they'll clock the 70 before the 49.99. And you don't want them to assume 'at a glance' that it's 70. Sort of thing.

And then finally, the 4th image of the demo bit, it appears the hole hasn't been drilled all the way through, and what's that behind the whole, some red step ladders or something? I'm sure you have loads more holes more clearly displayed than that lying about?

Perhaps I'm just being picky, perhaps the sun readers will be though too?

Keep us all posted on your findings mate. I'll make sure I subscribe to this thread. :thumbsup:
 
Re: 365drills needs YOUR help. Feedback required from you re advert National newspap

Sorry richard, personally i wouldn't look twice at the advert as a professional. Perhaps you are using the wrong 'focus group'. Perhaps Sun readers (as diyers) might buy your product but I have to repeat previous posters.
The advert is too busy and I wouldn't bother with the drilling instructions until they have bought your product. To most people ,a drills a drill.

You don't mention it's british made( thats still the case isn't it)

Am I being sterotypical in saying you would be better off with a picture of one of your girls in the pilot shirts?

Do people still fill those little forms in? Reminds me of the old "big Slipper or diy hair dressing clippers' it says 'tacky' to me.

I'm a big supporter of your drills Richard and want you to do well but showed this to my wife and she said jml without knowing what it was.
 
Re: 365drills needs YOUR help. Feedback required from you re advert National newspap

Can you not do a co-op ad with your distributor to ease the cost a little?

BTW after I spoke to you I've been into quite a few tile and tool shops asking for your product knowing full well they didn't stock it, they showed me other products which were twice the price. I said no and asked if they could get me a set in, I then mentioned that I 'thought' I'd seen an ad that said it was distributed by 'Artic' which nobody had heard of i'm afraid.

Most of them told me the product would be rubbish at that price but I insisted that people had only said good things about it and pointed them to this very site. So I've planted a few seeds, you might get something back from it, you never know.
 
Re: 365drills needs YOUR help. Feedback required from you re advert National newspap

Fantastic responses and I am enjoying reading and thinking about every post. You are posting valid readable stuff.

I would like to stand back from this post. The temptation (for me) is to respond to every post and suggestion. I have decided not to address specific comments so as not to influence or guide your ideas. I want you to shoot straight from the hip.. And thats what you are doing.

HOWEVER!! A a general thing I wanted to say: We are going to test OTP advertising. Some of you point out concerns with this particular style of advertising known in the press as "off the page sales" I dont know if OTP will work or if it is right.

My wife expressed concern OTP is toot failing to sell very well via retail outlets. Its junk that cant be sold. She gave examples of mens trousers with stretchy waist bands, health pills and devices for the elderly.

Whilst I agree there is a danger of forever being labelled this catagory I am swayed by the fact the exposure and the market exposure is huge (millions) so I am still willing to test OTP. We will try the Sun purely on numbers (3.2million) to give the best market reach.

I said at the start the danger is if I respond to comments it might seem defensive or that I have taken a view. The reality is very different.. I think about each post seriously and if I agree with you it has an impact on what I do with that ad.

Again thank you for your valuable posts. They are thought provoking and I really do enjoy reading them.
 
Re: 365drills needs YOUR help. Feedback required from you re advert National newspap

Hi 365,

Do they sell 3.2 million copies, or do they have 3.2 million readers? I recently went to place an ad in the local rag and they told me they had 160,000 readers, later when i asked how many copies they printed they said 40,000. Hang on a minute!... they later explained that although they only printed 40,000 they placed free copies in places like the hospital waiting rooms that had 10,000 visitors a day and the paper might be in there for a week. I can't believe they had the cheek to add these visitors to thier figures!!

I agree it's hard to hold your tounge when you've got an idea that you feel will work but others don't, I too have had the same and I get very defensive about it, trouble is I can't help but open my mouth:lol: well done
 
Re: 365drills needs YOUR help. Feedback required from you re advert National newspap

the bit on the advert where you do the individual costing, could imo, lead people to question why your product is so cheap and may come to the conclusion that you're maybe using inferior grade diamonds. I know you're not, but a member of the general public may think this.
 

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