Got mine just before Xmas (from Dave @ Tradetiler). Gone through the wash a couple of times without removing them from trousers. They feel like 2 pillows strapped to my knees, but you don't feel the straps. They seem expensive, but compared to the competition they are excellent value. I had a new pair of Scruffs kneepads and after a month they were like pancakes. In fact I would have been better off if I had used 2 slices of toast in my knee pockets.