advice on marble installation

[The D]

seams a lot of messing about to me dean
ive always used white adhesive and before that
snowcreat & silica sand (soaking the tiles in water over night )
oh btw
we never sealed out int tholden days

PJ how are you. This method was shown to me when I first started it worked then and it still works now. You can still get shadows even when you use white adhesive with light marble but if you seal both sides you don’t. It may seem a lot of hassle to you but to me I am just taking the necessary precautions to eliminate any chance that the adhesive will bleed through. As I said I have been doing this for years with no problems.

 

[pjtiler]

PJ how are you. This method was shown to me when I first started it worked then and it still works now. You can still get shadows even when you use white adhesive with light marble but if you seal both sides you don’t. It may seem a lot of hassle to you but to me I am just taking the necessary precautions to eliminate any chance that the adhesive will bleed through. As I said I have been doing this for years with no problems.

fine ta
i,m not knocking you bud
as for bleeding i have to say in all honesty ive never had a problem just lucky eh
the last big marble job was jedder airport in saudi some years back (14000 qm2 Blanca cerra graded 500 x 500 marble as you can Imagen this was a prestige job the saudi Royal family so only the best would do
we had all the adhesive techy guys out there and i settled on white ardurit s16 and ardion 90
now this job had the world and his wife checking every tile for shading as most of the roof is glass
if i say it my self it looked brilliant

 

[The D]

fine ta
i,m not knocking you bud
as for bleeding i have to say in all honesty ive never had a problem just lucky eh
the last big marble job was jedder airport in saudi some years back (14000 qm2 Blanca cerra graded 500 x 500 marble as you can Imagen this was a prestige job the saudi Royal family so only the best would do
we had all the adhesive techy guys out there and i settled on white ardurit s16 and ardion 90
now this job had the world and his wife checking every tile for shading as most of the roof is glass
if i say it my self it looked brilliant

Sounds like a fun job and I am glad you had no problems but you have to admit that shading dose occur.

 

[MICK the Tiler]

fine ta
i,m not knocking you bud
as for bleeding i have to say in all honesty ive never had a problem just lucky eh
the last big marble job was jedder airport in saudi some years back (14000 qm2 Blanca cerra graded 500 x 500 marble as you can Imagen this was a prestige job the saudi Royal family so only the best would do
we had all the adhesive techy guys out there and i settled on white ardurit s16 and ardion 90
now this job had the world and his wife checking every tile for shading as most of the roof is glass
if i say it my self it looked brilliant

ardurit s16 and ardion 90 What a combo................A marriage made in heaven

 

[MICK the Tiler]

Mick,

I believe most tilers /fixers who preseal would only use a temporary sealer to aid grout haze removal I certainly would anyway.

As for "bleed through" I have just had some very interesting results if you are interested maybe I could post them or PM them to you as I believe the findings may bore some people top death. In addition if you want me to post them i will need to obtain permission from the author firstly

Kev

FIRE AWAY!!! Kev

 

[MICK the Tiler]

deano sealing tiles can effect how the adhesives bonds to the tile depending on which type on sealer is used ,some marbles and stone have to be sealed but with spirit based sealers rather than oil/parafin based sealers as these would form a barrier , have you heard of feb strike? this is an oil based sealer for shuttering to stop the concrete sticking to the shutter same thing would happen to tiles if you sealed with an oil based sealer so yes you can seal the backs but just be careful what you seal them with

I'd agree with that too

 

[MICK the Tiler]

fine ta
i,m not knocking you bud
as for bleeding i have to say in all honesty ive never had a problem just lucky eh
the last big marble job was jedder airport in saudi some years back (14000 qm2 Blanca cerra graded 500 x 500 marble as you can Imagen this was a prestige job the saudi Royal family so only the best would do
we had all the adhesive techy guys out there and i settled on white ardurit s16 and ardion 90
now this job had the world and his wife checking every tile for shading as most of the roof is glass
if i say it my self it looked brilliant

I too have never had an issue with bleed through Pj, but not all marble is of the qualityof the italian stuff, it comes in down here from other parts of the world and is of an inferior quality, But the price is right. So even though Dean's technique may seem alot of bother, which it is, I think that if one could use this tecnique on selective types of stone that where known to suffer with bleed through, this would have to be a good thing wouldn't it? I'm not a full convert YET!! but I'm leaning that way, and may try this on a job where the stone was not up to the ITALIAN STANDARD.

 

[TilingLogistics]

Dean,

I had never even considered the fact that sealing both sides as you suggest would remove the chances of shadowing and transluscence. However, I cannot see the point in tempting fate and using a grey adhesive when clearly a white would be a better option.

That aside, what is even more interesting is I don't think the sealing companies know it either or they would use it in their marketing I would have thought.

So presumably if it works on natural Stone it will work on porcelain as well then?

I am going to do some tests today as soon as my accountant has been

Kev

 

[White Room]

I've only ever skimmed the back of the tile to reduce any chance of shadows

 

[TilingLogistics]

You may need to seal the marble before you start if it is a light colour then I always seal both sides before fixing.

Dean,

I have now done some investigation into your method of applying sealer to both sides or indeed in your other method of actually dipping the tile.

I was totally wrong in my assumption that the methods you suggested would impede adhesion for the adhesive.

I have just finished reading two sets of tests and It would seem in recent months tests have been done on extensive projects in various countries and they have now proved that sealing the underside of the tile or dipping the tile actually improves the bond strength of the adhesive dramatically.

Thanks for the information you have certainly opened my eyes

Kev

 

[grumpygrouter]

Dean,

I have now done some investigation into your method of applying sealer to both sides or indeed in your other method of actually dipping the tile.

I was totally wrong in my assumption that the methods you suggested would impede adhesion for the adhesive.

I have just finished reading two sets of tests and It would seem in recent months tests have been done on extensive projects in various countries and they have now proved that sealing the underside of the tile or dipping the tile actually improves the bond strength of the adhesive dramatically.

Thanks for the information you have certainly opened my eyes

Kev

Now that is an interesting revelation. Are going to post the information sources Kev so we can all have a look?

 

[Branty]

Surely it has to depend on the sealer. I wouldn't be using lithofin slate seal on the bottom of the slate.

 

[TilingLogistics]

Surely it has to depend on the sealer. I wouldn't be using lithofin slate seal on the bottom of the slate.

Yes Danny Good Point!!! You are correct the tests do not apply to sealers such as Lithofin Slate seal or Aquamix Enrich and seal. I was generalising about penetrating sealers I omitted to say it goes without saying it wouldn't work with enhancing sealers

Kev

 

[TilingLogistics]

Now that is an interesting revelation. Are going to post the information sources Kev so we can all have a look?

If I e mail them to you can you post them for me? Cos i don't know how to do it:huh2: Both are power point presentations

Kev

 

[The D]

Surely it has to depend on the sealer. I wouldn't be using lithofin slate seal on the bottom of the slate.

I have never herd of a translucent slate and personally do not seal the underside of any slate. The method of sealing both sides is only necessary when you are using a very light marble or stone this is not something you need to do on every job.