aquapanel

[doug boardley]

sent them an email Jay, to see if they can clarify it

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[jay]

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might be to hard for them thanks doug

 

[Matt]

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Just spoke to Knauf, they have confirmed that it is NOT waterproof, but water resistant. So water can/will pass through it, but the board will not warp or breakdown.

 

[jay]

any reply there Doug
just thought this thread needed re visiting

 

[kilty55]

i use this product a lot,great to use and i prefer it to hardi

its water resistant not proof,but has the added benefit if water does reacdh it somehow it wont swell like ply would and wont break down

 

[Ajax123]

Water proof and water resistant mean the same thing??

 

[The D]

Water proof and water resistant mean the same thing??

No it dose not.

 

[jay]

bit like a wrist watch
water resistant can get damp but not submerged
a waterproof watch can go under water

 

[Ajax123]

If something is completely resistant to the passage of water it is completely water resistant. If it completely resists the passage of moisture it is water proof. Ergo water resistant and water proof are interchangeable terms and thus mean the same thing.

If it is resistant to the effects of moisture but not to its passage it would still be classed as water resistant as well. The degree of resistance I guess is the point of argument. There are simply different degrees of resistance the lowest degree being not resistant at all and the highest being completely resistant which would alternatively be termed waterproof.

Water resistant is meaningless unless there is a point of reference e.g. water resistant fabrics have to withstand the passage of moisture up to a certain pressure (I think it is 8 kpa but stand to be corrected)

I think Water proof is almost used linguistically speaking as a colloquialism these days. The correct terms dealing with the passage or not of fluids including water are permeability. If it is waterproof then it would be deemed as impermeable.

I am arguing the case for the pedants of the world you understand.

This of course has no bearing on whether or not it should be tanked.......

 

[jay]

yes can see were you are coming from,
so if you need to waterproof a shower wall in a wet room will Aquapanel do
the problem is its water resistant and wont break down (like plasterboard witch is also classified as water resistant) but it will allow water to reach the studs behind .

note the plasterboard i was referring to is the wet check plasterboard designed for bathrooms (green board)

 

[Ajax123]

Jay - I would still tank it personally anyway mate

 

[The D]

a tanking system is water proof but the backer boards are water resistant.

 

[Ajax123]

a tanking system is water proof but the backer boards are water resistant.

Depends on the material used for the tanking system. A tanking system such as those used for shower walls, floors etc will have a moisture transmission rate which is very low therefore will still allow the passage of moisture but at a rate at which the materials behind it can dissipate that moisture wither to the atmosphere or to the surround building fabric. Therefore by the deffinition expounded in this thread about water proof they cannot be considered waterproof but are merely highly water resistant.....Backer boards have a moisture transmission rate significantly higher than the Tanking system. They will allow the passage of moisture at a relatively high rate. They are therefore water resistant.

Most materials will allow the passage of moisture to some extent. There is a quantifiable deffinition of waterproof. I would think something like tar or bitumen might qualify due to their hydrophobic water repellent nature...... Tanking Systems despite the colloquial nature of the word would not technically qualify as they will to some extent allow the passage of moisture.

Just to be even more pedantic though - are we talking about resistance to liquid water or water vapour or indeed solid water???

 

[kilty55]

using the watch as an example a watch saying its water resistant will be totally different to a waterproof one

if in doubt tank it imo,but water resistant and proof are 2 different things

 

[The D]

i do understand what you are saying but you are making my head hurt. i will stick with
MAPEGUM WPS
Fast drying flexible liquid tanking membrane for the interior waterproofing of bathroom and shower walls and floors before installing ceramic tiles and natural stone.


Ardex WPC Waterproof Protection System kit is used as a waterproof protection coat on backgrounds such as cement or gypsum plaster, plasterboard or wood based materials prior to fixing tiles in domestic bathrooms, commercial kitchens, showers and bathrooms. It can be used for sealing internal corners between walls, filling holes, joints and gaps round pipes, baths and showers prior to tiling.


BAL WP1 Waterproofing Kit is a flexible, seamless and complete waterproof tanking system. It comprises of an acrylic-based flexible WP1 tanking coating, WP1 polyester tape, WP1 polyester matting and APD acrylic primer. The BAL WP1 waterproofing kit provides total waterproof protection of substrates prior to fixing wall and floor tiles in wet or dry interior environments. It is recommended for use in showers, bathrooms, kitchens, laundry and utility rooms, upstands, pipes and floor wastes. It is even suitable for areas where movement may occur, such as drainage channels and junctions between walls and floors.

if you had a constant flow of water directly on to a tanking system then maybe you would be correct but with the amount of water that will come into contact with the tanking (non if the tiling is installed correctly) i think we can safely say the tanking is water proof.

 

[Ajax123]

If I am making your head hurt - think how mine feels....I will stop now then....

 

[jay]

This one is still a bit confusing

Can someone do me a favor please .get an off cut and pour water on one side of the board so it puddles then leave it and see if the back becomes wet over time

i cant do it as the product is not available here thanks

 

[jay]

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very clever wording

 

[jay]

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r..._PjAAg&usg=AFQjCNEVa7cGl3EFUkabAAYt2s5y1CZPTg

 

[Perry]

When you ask them the question is it waterproof they evade the question when you insist they tell you it’s not had the same answer with Hardie

 

[jay]

The way its reading is it wont deteriorate if moisture gets in to it like plaster does the last link says that be interested how Bri goes with that test

 

[Perry]

yes you can leave it in bucket of water for years and it will fine it wont deteriorate but its will let the water through it so you have to tank it then you might at well use plasterboard because if you have a leak you have problems what ever you use and i would rather cut plasterboard than cement board so the answer is to use backerboards lol

 

[jay]

So how did the test go Bri

 

[Ian]

I've got a piece Jay, I'll stick some water on it when I get home from work later. Should be quite interesting.


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[Perry]

Jay when you ask aquapanal and hardie do you still need to tank showers after using their board they both say yes so i believe that answers the question :juggle2: