Are short course providers diluting the tiling trade.?

[DHTiling]

that's a catch 22 situation, obviously an internet forum needs revenue to operate, but do many people actually look at the ads?

I know that but i also know that it is not needed as a source of income as if it was about just that then we would have loads of sponsors for the same thing.. it is because dan used to be involved in the training industry and see's it as a requirement for members but getting back to the thread is it really beneficial for members or just the providers..?

 

[Andy Allen]

learn how to tile in 2/4 weeks, earn 70k plus, get a micky mouse nvq, loads of work/jobs out there waiting to be done..........what aload off rubbish (insert stronger word there if i could)...

when i started i spent a whole year just grouting, then i was allowed to do the cuts, then the odd splash back, must of been 2 years before i was let loose on my first bathroom, but by then i new what to do inside out...

theres no fast track to learning any trade, and imho these courses should be for the DIY person only, that just wants to know the basics for his own benefit, or project...

 

[Gazzer]

I have said this before, I would love to know the actual figure s of the people that take a course and those of who are still tiling 6 -12 months later.
Lets face facts here, Its tough out there. I see many names on the forums online during the day ....names that shouldnt be there....they are not all having a day off. these are experienced guys with lots of trade contacts too.

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

learn how to tile in 2/4 weeks, earn 70k plus, get a micky mouse nvq, loads of work/jobs out there waiting to be done..........what aload off rubbish (insert stronger word there if i could)...

when i started i spent a whole year just grouting, then i was allowed to do the cuts, then the odd splash back, must of been 2 years before i was let loose on my first bathroom, but by then i new what to do inside out...

theres no fast track to learning any trade, and imho these courses should be for the DIY person only, that just wants to know the basics for his own benefit, or project...

Just about sums it up Andy.

 

[Dougs Third Go]

I know that but i also know that it is not needed as a source of income as if it was about just that then we would have loads of sponsors for the same thing.. it is because dan used to be involved in the training industry and see's it as a requirement for members but getting back to the thread is it really beneficial for members or just the providers..?

I can't see it being any benefit to members tbh.

 

[glasgow_tiler]

same as andy, the first 2 years of my apprenticship was spent grouting, labouring, doing cuts and watching all kinds of jobs, big jobs to lil jobs being set out proparly. then gettin to tile wee splashbacks to your tradesman letting you tile a cpl of walls in a few bathrooms and so on, anyway no offence to ppl who do a 2-4 week course but no way duz it make you a tiler and there quite insulting to ppl who spend 4 yrs learning everything the real way. dont get me wrong some folks might turn themselfs into good tilers but that must be a small percentage of them

 

[charlie1]

I do want to stick up for some of the people who done a short course though... because you have served apprenticeship does not mean you are or ever will be a good tradesmen... you can still be rough if you have no passion for what you are doing or if your generally not a very handy person with lazy attitude! What makes a good tiler?? Honest, hardworking, attention to detail and passion for the trade!

 

[DHTiling]

I do want to stick up for some of the people who done a short course though... because you have served apprenticeship does not mean you are or ever will be a good tradesmen... you can still be rough if you have no passion for what you are doing or if your generally not a very handy person with lazy attitude! What makes a good tiler?? Honest, hardworking, attention to detail and passion for the trade!

All taken on board but are the providers ripping peeps off .?

 

[charlie1]

I appreciate the help Darren from NETT gave me, more confidence than anything else... are they ripping anyone off? No, they say you could earn 40g per year.... its the fools who actually thinkk you are a tiler when you complete the course who need to think in the real world! If you come out the course with more questions than when they started who have half a chance! Ive seen many people doing the short course then when they come out, they just kinda know it all.... makes me laugh, its the ones who ask for my help with the right questions that i will give my time to

 

[judge]

for £300 a week on these courses,somebody is making money out of tiling ....:lol:...on a serious note i done one only to gain some basics and ask lots of questions about tiling..how to PVA substrates prior to tiling etc :yikes:

 

[henrywillicombe]

basically these tiling course are aimed at idiots you cant learn to be good at anything in two weeks. are you actually going to say to your first customer youve done a two week tiling course. or your going to do a bathroom on price and make any money. because your two week course has made you able to tile to a standard and speed of a trained tiler. a fool and his money are easily parted.

 

[White Room]

]basically these tiling course are aimed at idiots you cant learn to be good at anything[/B] in two weeks. are you actually going to say to your first customer youve done a two week tiling course. or your going to do a bathroom on price and make any money. because your two week course has made you able to tile to a standard and speed of a trained tiler. a fool and his money are easily parted.

I beg to differ, some of the guys going on these courses are well educated people who are looking for a career change in later life and it's there only option due to there age of a change of direction.

 

[charlie1]

basically these tiling course are aimed at idiots you cant learn to be good at anything in two weeks. are you actually going to say to your first customer youve done a two week tiling course. or your going to do a bathroom on price and make any money. because your two week course has made you able to tile to a standard and speed of a trained tiler. a fool and his money are easily parted.

on the flip side of the coin.... we aint doing brain surgerry here, we are sticking clay squares to walls and floors!

 

[suave]

Guys! is this trade rocket science? answers on a postcard please

 

[The D]

Ok I have been out of the training side of thing for a few years now and I think at one point in the game there was a need to get people in to all trades and quick but that time has passed and we live in a very different world now.
I was gob smacked to find out that one of these short course providers has there own C&G qualification that no one else can deliver. This winds me up on two levels first it is a diluted version of the old ICA which was in my opinion insufficient as it was so in my eyes that means the full C&G qualification is absolutely worthless. Then there is this thing that only they can deliver it. Now I am not saying any other provider would want to deliver it as there is the Diploma they can deliver but if the people that wrote the NVQ and the Diploma had the same attitude these providers would not have the credibility they have now so I find that a tad distasteful.
But to answer the question in no uncertain terms yes the trade is being diluted by short course providers.