Hi fellow members, first post, looking for advice regarding my bathroom renovation. I have read plenty of threads trying to educate myself at least to an acceptable DIY level and be able to ask the right questions.
I love DIY, I have done a couple of bathrooms before (not that challenging) and plenty of other jobs around houses I owned before (laminate, kitchen, etc) so not afraid to tackle even a difficult project.
To the point... Our upstairs bathroom is dated, so it is time for a complete makeover
It measures 2.4mx3m with 2.4m height walls, so lucky as is perfect for 30-60-90cm tiles.
The walls are double brick walls with thick plaster (not plasterboard), painted with silk bathroom paint.
Floor is 20mm fibreboard, solid with no defects on top of the joists.
Tiles bought... 600x600x10mm porcelain on the walls and a wood effect 900x150x9mm porcelain for the floor.
So here is the plan...
I will built a stud wall in one of the 3m walls with 300mm spacing between the (3x2) timbers to be ready for a 10mm backer board. I will add also horizontal pieces to help the rigidity of the frame and the horizontal fixing of the board. Stud wall will be 230mm out, so plenty of space for cistern, pipes and most important more than 50mm depth for the electrical wiring.
I am gonna go with the Jackoboard 1200x600x10mm, fixed in a brick bond pattern, with 8 screws and washers as per the Jackoboard plano instructions. The above looks straightforward, just have to be careful to be level and square for my tiling.
The problem is the other three plastered and painted walls as I am pretty sure they cannot accommodate the 25kg/m2 tile plus adhesive/grout! Not taking chances, I am gonna key the wall like a madman (especially after another poor Arsenal display) then the 6mm boards will be fixed with tile adhesive and plugs/screws/washers at least 50mm into the brick wall, with 3 rows of 5 washers per board - more than Jacko recommends. The question is, is that enough and which tile adhesive should I use behind the board? Any primer?
Floor should be straightforward, I know that I have to prime it and then 5-8mm adhesive, 6mm boards, 8 screws/washers per board but again which primer/tile adhesive combo would you recommend?
Last questions (and most important for me)...
I understand that you have to reinforce the board joints with alkaline resistant glass fibre tape in dry areas or, as it is a bathroom, do I have to go with waterproof tape and tile adhesive? Do I have to use their board fix adhesive on the side of the boards as I butt them?
I will have a shower corner area, I understand that I have to completely waterproof the joints/washers as above but I think I should also tank it. Should I use Jacko kit, Artex or some other brand? (usual stone shower tray will be used not a former/tiled).
As the bathroom is upstairs, for peace of mind I would prefer to use a really flexible tile adhesive to avoid any problems from vibrations, will an S1 type do or is it an overkill to go for S2 type - either way which one do you recommend? Should I use the same for behind the boards and tiling?
Screws - after reading all the different threads on this forum, I am convinced that the extra cost for Stainless Steel screws is not worth it and I should go for Turbogold. Is 4mm the right fit for the washers? - any other recommendation/idea?
I have chosen Jackoboards over the more expensive Marmox etc and the similar priced Nomoreply. I can do cheaper with ebay ones but not sure if a saving of £1/board is worth the risk as Jacko is used from you guys with no problems at all. My only grumble is that for 38 boards CTD gave me a price that was just pennies less than ordering them online from elsewhere, although I have to travel 40 miles to get them...
Sorry for this essay type ‘first post’ but it is an accumulation of 4 weeks research and planning of this bathroom and I want to be sure that I’ve got it right before I start!
Thanks in advance!
George
PS... Photos of the bathroom and a rough plan/diagram of the renovation will follow
[automerge]1576272588[/automerge]
Photos!
I love DIY, I have done a couple of bathrooms before (not that challenging) and plenty of other jobs around houses I owned before (laminate, kitchen, etc) so not afraid to tackle even a difficult project.
To the point... Our upstairs bathroom is dated, so it is time for a complete makeover
It measures 2.4mx3m with 2.4m height walls, so lucky as is perfect for 30-60-90cm tiles.The walls are double brick walls with thick plaster (not plasterboard), painted with silk bathroom paint.
Floor is 20mm fibreboard, solid with no defects on top of the joists.
Tiles bought... 600x600x10mm porcelain on the walls and a wood effect 900x150x9mm porcelain for the floor.
So here is the plan...
I will built a stud wall in one of the 3m walls with 300mm spacing between the (3x2) timbers to be ready for a 10mm backer board. I will add also horizontal pieces to help the rigidity of the frame and the horizontal fixing of the board. Stud wall will be 230mm out, so plenty of space for cistern, pipes and most important more than 50mm depth for the electrical wiring.
I am gonna go with the Jackoboard 1200x600x10mm, fixed in a brick bond pattern, with 8 screws and washers as per the Jackoboard plano instructions. The above looks straightforward, just have to be careful to be level and square for my tiling.
The problem is the other three plastered and painted walls as I am pretty sure they cannot accommodate the 25kg/m2 tile plus adhesive/grout! Not taking chances, I am gonna key the wall like a madman (especially after another poor Arsenal display) then the 6mm boards will be fixed with tile adhesive and plugs/screws/washers at least 50mm into the brick wall, with 3 rows of 5 washers per board - more than Jacko recommends. The question is, is that enough and which tile adhesive should I use behind the board? Any primer?
Floor should be straightforward, I know that I have to prime it and then 5-8mm adhesive, 6mm boards, 8 screws/washers per board but again which primer/tile adhesive combo would you recommend?
Last questions (and most important for me)...
I understand that you have to reinforce the board joints with alkaline resistant glass fibre tape in dry areas or, as it is a bathroom, do I have to go with waterproof tape and tile adhesive? Do I have to use their board fix adhesive on the side of the boards as I butt them?
I will have a shower corner area, I understand that I have to completely waterproof the joints/washers as above but I think I should also tank it. Should I use Jacko kit, Artex or some other brand? (usual stone shower tray will be used not a former/tiled).
As the bathroom is upstairs, for peace of mind I would prefer to use a really flexible tile adhesive to avoid any problems from vibrations, will an S1 type do or is it an overkill to go for S2 type - either way which one do you recommend? Should I use the same for behind the boards and tiling?
Screws - after reading all the different threads on this forum, I am convinced that the extra cost for Stainless Steel screws is not worth it and I should go for Turbogold. Is 4mm the right fit for the washers? - any other recommendation/idea?
I have chosen Jackoboards over the more expensive Marmox etc and the similar priced Nomoreply. I can do cheaper with ebay ones but not sure if a saving of £1/board is worth the risk as Jacko is used from you guys with no problems at all. My only grumble is that for 38 boards CTD gave me a price that was just pennies less than ordering them online from elsewhere, although I have to travel 40 miles to get them...
Sorry for this essay type ‘first post’ but it is an accumulation of 4 weeks research and planning of this bathroom and I want to be sure that I’ve got it right before I start!
Thanks in advance!
George
PS... Photos of the bathroom and a rough plan/diagram of the renovation will follow
[automerge]1576272588[/automerge]
Photos!
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