bread and butter kitchen

Here's another one, just playing devil's advocate. How long it would take to do a 6ftx6ft bathroom walls and floor with bath fitted. Good walls and floor, no prep, basic 450x300 ceramic, plastic trim etc probably about 17m2.

1.5 days, maybe 2 if window reveal needs done.
 
common guys, I'm not slow at all, but 1,5 -2 days not possible... unless there is only one window, no boxes, no recesses, no 100 of holes to drill... A tiler can do 15 sq.m of floor a day, but small bathroom is different. Only setting out will take couple of hours. What about setting your wet saw, bringing all tools on site, cleaning ...?
 
Being a Newbie in my first year, I would be 4 days, and double that if there is a window !:lol:
 
common guys, I'm not slow at all, but 1,5 -2 days not possible... unless there is only one window, no boxes, no recesses, no 100 of holes to drill... A tiler can do 15 sq.m of floor a day, but small bathroom is different. Only setting out will take couple of hours. What about setting your wet saw, bringing all tools on site, cleaning ...?

Not all of us get £100m2 for 6 x6 ceramics tony and can take our time 😉
 
common guys, I'm not slow at all, but 1,5 -2 days not possible... unless there is only one window, no boxes, no recesses, no 100 of holes to drill... A tiler can do 15 sq.m of floor a day, but small bathroom is different. Only setting out will take couple of hours. What about setting your wet saw, bringing all tools on site, cleaning ...?

Tony, I would have the bulk of that tiled on the 1st day, no wet saw a grinder or if needed my little Bricollina, they are ceramics, at that size of tile they would go up like a pack of cards..
 
common guys, I'm not slow at all, but 1,5 -2 days not possible... unless there is only one window, no boxes, no recesses, no 100 of holes to drill... A tiler can do 15 sq.m of floor a day, but small bathroom is different. Only setting out will take couple of hours. What about setting your wet saw, bringing all tools on site, cleaning ...?

Setting out would take 15 mins. Remember, there are only 5 things to set around, floor, celing, window top/bottom and bath. Walls are perfect so just spread with 6mm trowel and stick them ceramics. you would do a wall per hour! Window wall would take 2-3 hours. I don't use a wet saw (ever) angle grinder. Bases and recesses will slow me down though. If rectified porcelain then different story, add another day
 
Here's another one, just playing devil's advocate. How long it would take to do a 6ftx6ft bathroom walls and floor with bath fitted. Good walls and floor, no prep, basic 450x300 ceramic, plastic trim etc probably about 17m2.


I'm sorry Sir, we don't like to give estimates or time scales for jobs before we have seen them, as all bathrooms are different I'm sure you'll agree.

Would you like to arrange a time for us to come and view the job? 😛rrr:😛rrr:😛rrr:
 
Setting out would take 15 mins. Remember, there are only 5 things to set around, floor, celing, window top/bottom and bath. Walls are perfect so just spread with 6mm trowel and stick them ceramics. you would do a wall per hour! Window wall would take 2-3 hours. I don't use a wet saw (ever) angle grinder. Bases and recesses will slow me down though. If rectified porcelain then different story, add another day
YOU ALSO WANT TO HAVE FULL TILE MODUAL in all corners , so it's actually more of setting out. Oh I forgot, I rearly use plastic trim.... I mainly do mitred corners :thumbsup:
 
common guys, I'm not slow at all, but 1,5 -2 days not possible... unless there is only one window, no boxes, no recesses, no 100 of holes to drill... A tiler can do 15 sq.m of floor a day, but small bathroom is different. Only setting out will take couple of hours. What about setting your wet saw, bringing all tools on site, cleaning ...?
hey, tony, there are some real speed merchants out there, saw a guy turn out 2 rectified 20(ish) m2 porcelain bathrooms in one weekend, windows, bulkheads..,,, I was proper amazed!!
 
YOU ALSO WANT TO HAVE FULL TILE MODUAL in all corners , so it's actually more of setting out. Oh I forgot, I rearly use plastic trim.... I mainly do mitred corners :thumbsup:

ok here one that toke me 2.5 days this week, poor walls, window, mitred metal trim, mesh mosaic image.jpg
 

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looks good Charlie, but I only saying that sometimes it is better to take time and do it perfect, I mean perfect perfect. I know I'm not cheap some times 🙂 but I must be sure , I will do the job up to the high standard, and some times you can't just fly... Some times I charge £120 per sq.m for mosaics , and I can do 10-15 sq.m a day. Some times- only do 2 sq.m :thumbsup:
 
I do my very BEST every time :thumbsup:

Gonna stick my neck out here and admit I don't, take for instance a standard ceramic bathroom as described above, I'm on a £ set sq m for it and I know there is a limit to how good it can look no matter how much I f4nny about with it...Slightly different tile sizes etc... I have learned to just let go a bit and tile in these situations. On the other hand, rectified polish porcelain doesn't really have a limit to how good it can look, there are always slight imperfections, breaking shadows etc, these jobs are on the other hand a labour of love and I give them my all and then some. I always look at a job and see where I can save time with it, my example above I saved a load of time by tiling full tile to ceiling then unscrewing frame and bringing it down to meet my tiles, so there is 16 tiles I don't need to point to point mark/cut. Also, I try to tile every wall totally plumb then the next wall every cut will be straight or I can even start full tile if looks ok so more time saved.
 
I do my very BEST every time :thumbsup:
Try having a crack at your very best every time on £13 a meter with window reveals and boxings out of square, walls in and out like a fiddlers elbow and seriously cheap ready mix, it gets thrown in to look just about passable,
 
Try having a crack at your very best every time on £13 a meter with window reveals and boxings out of square, walls in and out like a fiddlers elbow and seriously cheap ready mix, it gets thrown in to look just about passable,
some years ago, I was on £4.50 per hour, and I was doing my very BEST ! I will always do my very best, no matter what , because I love what I do. This is on only about money. If you do you very best- money will come too... :thumbsup:
 
Try having a crack at your very best every time on £13 a meter with window reveals and boxings out of square, walls in and out like a fiddlers elbow and seriously cheap ready mix, it gets thrown in to look just about passable,

Do you know what I wouldn't even bother. I'd charge to re do the prep. If they won't pay I won't do it, not any more.

I spent some of my early years working for landlords who wouldn't pay and only wanted bodge jobs, being young and stupid I thought it was the key to bigger and better jobs. It never was. It's soul destroying work.

i know some guys on here have struggled over the last few years and would do anything to put food on the table and I get that. But I'll tell you now I'd rather sell my tools and change career than go back to doing jobs that I'm not proud of and that is the Gods honest truth. Not saying every job I do is a masterpiece but I'm proud of them all and is always way higher than just passable.
 
Do you know what I wouldn't even bother. I'd charge to re do the prep. If they won't pay I won't do it, not any more.

I spent some of my early years working for landlords who wouldn't pay and only wanted bodge jobs, being young and stupid I thought it was the key to bigger and better jobs. It never was. It's soul destroying work.

i know some guys on here have struggled over the last few years and would do anything to put food on the table and I get that. But I'll tell you now I'd rather sell my tools and change career than go back to doing jobs that I'm not proud of and that is the Gods honest truth. Not saying every job I do is a masterpiece but I'm proud of them all and is always way higher than just passable.

no landlords these are QS's from national house builders that sqeeze down the prices, I don't work for the general public as a rule, I know what standard is required for the house builder, they get what they're paying for, everyone is happy, I love working on new housing as much as I love using some quality materials, but it's just not possible to make a perfect job every time in the real unromantic work of the construction industry
 
Landlords, qs, architects, home owners... It doesn't matter who is asking it's all the same to me. If I'm not enjoying my job or proud of it, that's the day I get out.

I've never done much house bashing apart for the odd week/month dotted here and there over the years. My site work is mainly confined to commercial sites, mostly office refurbs. Whilst interesting some of the buildings i've worked in, it can burn you out with all the travel.

I'd say parts of the construction trade are romantic, that's why I do domestics, I certainly enjoy the design through to completion. 98% of my work is domestic as it suits me better and gives me the rewards I want. I also dictate how the job is going to be done.

This is just my personal view, not slating or think others are wrong for doing it there way. Each to their own.
 
Would walls made of bread and butter take the weight of the tiles though? Maybe another half day to re board I'm thinking!!
 
What's the half day for that a lot are mentioning? If it's grouting, any 6-8mm trowelled splashback will be dry enough to grout within the hour and even then grouting should only take 40mins-1 hour including waiting for a second wash/polish.

Just curious as to what makes it take that long, really can't get my head around it.
 
What's the half day for that a lot are mentioning? If it's grouting, any 6-8mm trowelled splashback will be dry enough to grout within the hour and even then grouting should only take 40mins-1 hour including waiting for a second wash/polish.

Just curious as to what makes it take that long, really can't get my head around it.

was thinking that myself, even if you just tiled the first day would it really take half a day to grout 4.5 meters of kitchen tiles? and then what ? do you go home or start another job..?

im not knocking it if you can get 2 days money for a small kitchen then fair play to you.... round my way you wouldn't stand a chance of getting more than a days pay for that, I would sooner knock it on the head in one day and move on to a fresh job in the morning.
 
It would not take half a day to grout but i would charge half a day it would probably take a few hours to wash, grout, buff then Silicon then leave the kitchen cleaner than when you started for the wow factor 🙂
 
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