Critical news for ALL TILERS (or is it?) As a professional tiler you dedcide....

[Deleted member 1779]

As a NON tiler I post this message below without prejudice and without comment. I don't want to steer this topic away from your great news (maybe this message below should be started as another thread)

The words below are not mine - but those of a training centre owner.

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This is news that will effect everybody in the tiling world, it will effect all tilers which in turn will have a knock on effect to sales and all associated....


New legislation
The time is coming that even tilers working in the domestic market will need an NVQ level 2 qualification, well its about to happen. We all know that to work in the domestic market you need not have a recognised qualification, well that loophole is about to be shut it will soon be law that you will not be able to get liability insurance without an NVQ level 2 or above. This will go for all trades not just tiling.

Costs to get qualified
If you have not registered with a training company to get your NVQ before the end of July you will have to pay,


If you choose not register right now then these are the later costs of a qualification

* Experienced workers (over 5 years) can do a two day assessment and achieve their qualification this will cost circa £550
* Under 5 years experience an NVQ will cost circa £1500 and take 3-9 months to achieve.

The message is to register NOW with someone that has funding you have four weeks and it will be free....


If you do not register NOW you WILL HAVE TO PAY...


The cost of Complacency
The trouble in the tile industry is that nobody thinks it will effect them "I only tile in the domestic market, so I don't need a qualification", well it will and if you do not act it could end your business.
* There are cases from experienced trades they are being refused entry to sites even with over 25 years of experience.
* Some tilers think once registered for an NVQ this is all they need to do because it allows them to apply for a CSCS card which allows them on site, this is true but that only lasts for one year !, if you do not achieve your NVQ within that year you will have to wait another 3-9 months for a qualification and to be allowed back on site.
* All of the above will be the same for the domestic market sooner or later or you will have to work without liability insurance
Please pass on this message


Please let anyone or everyone know that if they do not have a qualification it will soon effect them,


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End message. Sorry to post such doom and gloom. The words above are not mine so I don't have comment on their accuracy.

But this seems a critical message for tilers and I would rather post messages up and make you aware of some news than ignore it and let you find out some other way.

Its your forum so what are your comments?

 

[Gazzer]

So anymore info from other training centres to back these claims up ?

 

[Colour Republic]

any chance of saying which training center said this?

 

[Gazzer]

From MIKETHETILE

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Richard

this is what we were told some twenty years ago, so we all made sure we were compliant and looked forward to a trade where only the properly trained were going to operate, since then we have had one crackpot scheme after another and the situation where any one can operate, all they have to do is nip down B&Q for a basic toolkit and they are in business, what did we all get qualified for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


if this is finally it and they are going to put their money where their mouth is then good, its long overdue

I shall look forward to working in a fully qualified and regulated trade where you get paid a fair days money for a fair days work, im just glad I lived long enough to see it
__________________
I know nothing I havent learnt

Tilers in Leighton Buzzard, Painters and decorators Leighton Buzzard 01525 376559/07594 779654"

 

[Gazzer]

any chance of saying which training center said this?

The message came via email from Mark Humphries (PTS traning Centre) so I dont doubt its credibility but of course its done for commercial reasons as well as information reasons.

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Mark Humphreys


Specialist Training Courses Ltd
Telephone: 01279 723270
Mobile: 07779 742422
Facsimile: 01279 435294
E-mail: [email protected]

 

[Dan]

I've been hearing this is on the cards for some time, I blogged about it early 2009 and the date was meant to be for 2010 onwards.

In an article in the TSJ this month it reads that an NVQ level 1 is being discussed for labourers and those wishing to start out in tiling but haven't got the skills to complete a level 2 yet. No dates were given about this, or any actual confirmation of it going ahead, it was just suggesting there are talks about it.

Though I didn't see anything related to the NVQ requirements for domestic work and I would have thought there would have been a mention.

Perhaps just a bit of a circulation to encourage those to get assessed now?

I'm sure some of the training centre's will be along soon to comment.

 

[mikethetile]

thanks neale fro moving that post for me

 

[Colour Republic]

where is the other thread???

 

[Dan]

What other thread mate?

Edit: ahhhhh, I see what you mean. No other thread has been made, feel free to discuss everything related to this in this here thread. 🙂

 

[Gazzer]

thanks neale fro moving that post for me

Welll i tried but it was having none of it so i ended up copying and pasting :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Gazzer]

What other thread mate?

http://www.tilersforums.com/tiling-forum/37640-just-passed.html

 

[Dan]

http://www.tilersforums.com/tiling-forum/37640-just-passed.html

Riiiiight. I'm with you now!

lol

I'll go get a coffee and catch up hey?

 

[Gazzer]

Riiiiight. I'm with you now!

lol

I'll go get a coffee and catch up hey?

White one sugar and i will join you...who has the biccies ?

 

[Dan]

Here ya go

 

[UKTT Darren]

Ive never heard anything of it, they have been talking about this for years as Dan said but thats it, nothing comes of it, i can see the health and safety side (cscs card) for sites but nothing on the domestic side, sounds like a ploy to get booked on an NVQ course quickly to me
Regards
Darren

 

[Gazzer]

My thoughts too Darren, not that i disagree with the principle just not the way it has been said here.

 

[Deleted member 1779]

One of the messages in there was that if people reacted quickly to register then training is FREE.

If thats the case then there could be some merit in just getting your name on a list. I hope some of the tile training units on here can come and clarify.
Date of post is 5th July 2010 so there seems to be 20 working days left to sort out an application. Or just under a month.

I guess if its free and say for example your course is booked for October then you have plenty of time to pull out. But there is only a short time to apply.

Looking forward to seeing how this thread develops.

 

[Gazzer]

One of the messages in there was that if people reacted quickly to register then training is FREE.

If thats the case then there could be some merit in just getting your name on a list. I hope some of the tile training units on here can come and clarify.
Date of post is 5th July 2010 so there seems to be 20 working days left to sort out an application. Or just under a month.

I guess if its free and say for example your course is booked for October then you have plenty of time to pull out. But there is only a short time to apply.

Looking forward to seeing how this thread develops.

But training centres can get you funding anyway, Chase Tiling Academy did for me ....sounds like a scare tactic to me maybe cos they are short of students ? I still think people should do the NVQ2 though especially if you can get funding...its always there then.

 

[The D]

TTA and CAA have not heard of this so it is not going to happen any day soon.
bit shady if you ask me

 

[Dan]

There you go then.

I didn't think it'd be coming in domestic-wise as it's too hard to 'police'. Customers just don't understand the benefits right now of making sure your tiler is NVQ qualified. And all these 'bid for the cheapest tiler you can' type websites promote the exact opposite.

 

[mikethetile]

If insurance companies would only insure qualified tradesmen then we have the advantage over the chancers , it would save them money as we take care to look after our customers the best we can

 

[Scott]

Scaremongering? Sounds like one company trying a different 'marketing angle' if you ask me.
I dont agree with that 'style' of marketing if thats what it is and id go out of my way to avoid that particular company if i was looking for the qualification.

If they cant stop people doing electrical work or window fitting without providing the required certificates it certainly isnt going to happen in tiling any time soon. The country is on its knees financially the lat thing the UK needs right now is to spend huge amount of money on stuff like this. Lets get out of the mess we are in before we start to regulate the industry

 

[Colour Republic]

I can't see this changing anything. Do you really think these people work with insurance anyway? Or that joe public even thinks to check if they have any? All it will do is stop them from working on sites, which if they are rubbish they get kicked off anyway

 

[The D]

the chancer will have no insurance so they will just carry on as they are it is not doable IMO.

 

[Scott]

I can't see this changing anything. Do you really think these people work with insurance anyway? Or that joe public even thinks to check if they have any? All it will do is stop them from working on sites, which if they are rubbish they get kicked off anyway

No one on domestic work has EVER asked me about my insurance. I volunteer the information instead.

I dont think refusing insurance is the way to go as it rules out a competent person who doesnt have the qualifications but has the experience required to do the job.

 

[mikethetile]

the whole ethos behind the cscs system was that everyone who traded was competant to do so

those of us who have complied have been seriously let down by the current system, I understand the argument about the unqualified working as people will employ them. let them, they will learn the hard way to go to an insured qualified tradesmaan

 

[Colour Republic]

the whole ethos behind the cscs system was that everyone who traded was competant to do so

those of us who have complied have been seriously let down by the current system, I understand the argument about the unqualified working as people will employ them. let them, they will learn the hard way to go to an insured qualified tradesmaan

But what does that achive Mike? these people are causing damage now without this system and it will be no different if it were to come in. The only difference is that it may force good timeserved tradesmen who don't have the qulifications to no longer be able to get insurance.

In anycase an NVQ doesn't makes you a professional in my eyes. That all depends on the person.

 

[Slowly Learning]

I have no formal qualification in tiling. I do however have insurance up the yang and carry documents and portfolio of work to show my customers on first conatact. I only do domestic work and touch wood have always left my customers happy to recommend me. I do understand the need to keep the chancers out as I am Part P qualified and pay throught the nose to be on a scheme to allow me to comlplete electrical work. However I just dont have the funds or the time to get an NVQ2 in tiling if this is to come in I would be forced into hanging up my trowels and miss doing a trade that I really enjoy. Is this a real possibility or just some training centres ploy to get people through the door? Who would we have to contact to confirm building control?

 

[mikethetile]

thats the beauty of the system Rob, good timeserved tradesmen are given a nvq and shouldnt have to compete with unqualified/uninsured pricecutters

 

[mikethetile]

sl you have to get your current work assessed by an nvq assessor

theres funding available if you do it now

 

[Colour Republic]

sl you have to get your current work assessed by an nvq assessor

theres funding available if you do it now

I'd be surprised if there was funding for me regardless of what the 'advert' says, i'd be even more surprised if I could find/afford the time to do it, along with the guys who work for me.