day off

[Andy Allen]

thank you teachers....

not only are you well paid, have half the year off on holiday, its still not enough, you need another day off...:mad2:

can I send you a bill for my lost day's pay...?

 

[mma]

Paid holidays, paid sick leave and they will still receive a very good pension! Try being self employed!!

 

[Andy Allen]

exactly.....welcome to the real world !!

if I take my son out of school, I get a £60 fine, yet there allowed to take a day off on strike when they like......talk about double standards ...!!

 

[cam_low]

Sorry andy but my other half is a teacher as was my mother. What work goes on behind the scenes at home and the 6:30am starts along with getting in at 7pm...I fully feel they are recompensed well.

Do you know why they are striking?

 

[Martyn Leeds]

If they were self-employed and subbying to the skool - I'm sure they'd put up with their very hard working conditions and wouldn't down tools whenever they please..

 

[Andy Allen]

Sorry andy but my other half is a teacher as was my mother. What work goes on behind the scenes at home and the 6:30am starts along with getting in at 7pm...I fully feel they are recompensed well.

Do you know why they are striking?

boo hoo, 6.30 starts 7pm finishes, and your point is what..?

its a job, lots of people work hard, and don't get 13 weeks holiday a year..!!

I believe there striking about there pensions, there being asked to work longer, and get paid on there preformence in the class room.......can't see a problem with that, much the same as anyone else ..

 

[cam_low]

7pm finishes from the day. Working til 10/11 every night planning lessons and marking. Full day preparing on weekend.

Having to deal with badly brought up children...its rare to find polite and well mannered kids these days.

my lass is at least once a week in tears...as was my mother. The holidays have two weeks taken up in school through the summer for more prep.

Your boohoo comment clearly indicates a lack of knowledge...obviously didn't pay attention in school. If you did you would know that they are striking about their pensions and everything you mentioned above :lol:

Jokes 😛

 

[Andy Allen]

if she hates it that much why do it..?

she must have known that being a teacher meant teaching children and shock horror there not all well behaved..!!

its a bit like someone joining the army, then moaning when the go to war, you know what your getting into so just get on with it or find another job, just stop messing everyone around that pay's there wages..

 

[Mr Tiler]

bit harsh andy lol.... but to be honest around here those 6.30-7.30 teachers don't exist I see them walking home about 10 mins after my daughter comes home lol

 

[Sean SML Tiling]

They still have to spend evenings and weekends marking work. Theres alit behind the scenes and cam is right in how much they do. Wish I could get a pension paid for working just as hard

 

[Deleted member 9966]

My dad was a teacher for 30 years. He started his career when the cane was still in use. As such punishments and discipline were removed, so was my dad's love of teaching because he didn't like the unruly kids. My dad never bothered to plan for lessons, regardless of what Ofsted said to him. I work with people now who were taught by my dad and they remember everything my dad taught them, including the respect. I also know a lot of teachers working in today's education system and it's a completely different beast - you have to be accountable for everything. But in all honesty, why should you work under that pressure? You should kick back against the system and tell the government that we need to get back to teaching and instilling discipline. Teachers are very well paid and have always been very well paid, I believe they have an excellent remuneration package. I'd be happy for teachers to come and work in the private sector and earn the wages I earn, with the small pensions and substantially less holidays and see how they like it. Teaching isn't for everyone, it takes dedication, grit and determination especially when the government gives you hardly anything to hold your own with, but still, every person in the UK is in the same boat regarding wages, inflation, utility price hikes, food price hikes, property prices plummeting, investments and savings being non-existent. If the teachers want better wages, and good pensions, how are these going to be paid for? By the government? Who gives the government money? We do, in the form of taxes. If my employer wanted to give me a pay rise, they would have be making more money to be able to do it.

 

[Andy Allen]

bit harsh andy lol.... but to be honest around here those 6.30-7.30 teachers don't exist I see them walking home about 10 mins after my daughter comes home lol

maybe was a bit harsh, but i'm really peed off having to take the day off when i'm piled out with work, could of done without it at the moment..

 

[jonnyc]

dont get me started in this subject.
i think our teachers for the most part do a brilliant job and they should be paid well accordingly.
some are and some are not paid well.
i have a sister who has a well earned degree and is a manager of a nursery and she gets paid a pittance compared to a professional tiler.
i also have a wife who has given two years of unpaid help at a nursery because she wanted to and now that she is qualified and a teaching assistant she is paid the grand sum of £ 7.50 per hour in a private nursery in the heart of the most affluent area of our country.
this is a disgrace and an insult i think but she loves what she does and i would not want to deter her from doing what she wants to do.
I have other friends who up the other end of the scale and yes they do get paid well but they thoroughly deserve it.

 

[cam_low]

Unless you teach - you can't really comment.. teachers have accepted a pay freeze for several years, based on their pensions being protected. However, now Gove wants nore £££'s a month, for longer & for teachers to receive less in the end. You would need to speak to a union rep to really understand just how bad Gove's proposals are. I don't hear teacher's complaining about teaching, only desperate to protect a profession they feel passionately about - it's never reported unbiasedly in the media!

 

[widler]

The only people who stick up for teachers are
A teachers
B partners of teachers

They
A get paid decent
B get fantastic bloody paid holidays
C get a good pension
Wheras i
A get paid decent with work i have to find
B get crap holidays
C work hard
D get no pension unless i pay a fortune
E don't get to strike or moan about all of the above cos i chose to do my job and just have to get on with it, the country is bankrupt yet public sector thick they are above us, well REMOVED them.

Ps i think teachers do a good job, same as firemen, but i think both have lost a lot of support recently of the public, who at the end of the day pay them

 

[cam_low]

Same stereotypical view of the mainstream public.

Again. Do you really know why they are striking?

 

[widler]

Same stereotypical view of the mainstream public.

Again. Do you really know why they are striking?

Same stereotypical view of a supporter cam , you have you views the majority have theres .

 

[John Benton]

Same stereotypical view of the mainstream public.

Again. Do you really know why they are striking?

Not sure if it's over pencils or rubber bands this time!!

 

[cam_low]

I have seen first hand how teaching takes over your life...it doesnt become a career.

I ask again. Can you explain why they are striking?

 

[White Room]

From my understanding the fact they may have to pay extra into their pension and work till 60 ??

 

[widler]

I have seen first hand how teaching takes over your life...it doesnt become a career.

I ask again. Can you explain why they are striking?

Cam, are they striking cos they have to work in crap conditions, sometimes in snow in rain or in council houses full off dirt, muck dog/cat poo, mites, fleas.
Or is it because they have to heft tons of materials about a week, ruining there body joints , or knelling down in wet/damp conditions.
Or do they sometimes have to wait weeks and weeks for money, even thousands which have paid out there own pocket for lads or materials
,do they have to have 4 months off work, no pay no money from anywhere through illness, or when the flu strikes do they go to work cos they god dam have too.
Jeez bud need i go on.
Look they work hard, no doubt, they have to put up with unruly kids,no doubt, they have to put thee hands in there pockets when times are hard , its a hard life, its a rubbish life,they chose it though,same as most of us who have chosen to do a job which includes years of training .
They aint winning any fans, but do they give a poo, no.
Oh and just outa curiosity, what are they striking for 😉.

 

[Andy Allen]

and I thought I was abit harsh....:lol:

spot on though, its a tough world out there, and the sooner they take there rose tinted classes off and get on with it in stead of peeing everyone off that pays there wages, the more support they may get from the public..

 

[Deleted member 9966]

they are striking because of Michael Gove's proposals.

1. he wants to introduce performance related pay - this has been going on in the private sector for decades so it's not an unusual practice. I think Michael Gove needs to be clear about how it works and how it will be introduced. If he can't be clear, nobody will want the change, regardless of whether they work in the private sector or the public sector. Nobody likes change that on the face of it looks to be like a detriment.

2. he wants to change the approach to pensions by asking people to work longer and contribute more - everybody is going to have to work longer and contribute more, otherwise you won't get any kind of pension when you retire. The reason for this is many people took early retirement from pensions (public and private) that paid substantially more than the average salary and so when there's more people taking out than putting in, there's going to be less money for the future. You can only blame the people who created the pension schemes in the first place, with the very generous outputs after retirement. But remember, when pension schemes were first put in place in the 40's and 50's life expectancy was incredibly short, so if you made it to retirement, living more than 5-6 years beyond retirement was unheard of. So what has actually gone wrong here is that pension schemes have not kept pace with changes to health and life expectancy and now all workers are paying the price. And don't forget, there's less children being born and therefore less working people to put into your pension fund.

3. increasing workloads - well, I have no idea how Michael Gove expects to increase a teachers workload but again, this has been going on in the private sector for years. Bosses want to see efficiencies and less wastage, and better outputs to make more profit. I personally don't think we need better educated kids, nor do we need 50% of all school leavers to go to university. There are still jobs out there in the UK that require qualifications less than a degree and I do not believe that a degree is the be-all and end-all. There is still much more manufacturing in the UK than the government cares to realise and you certainly don't need a degree to run an electrical installation in a factory for example.

 

[widler]

Well i'll wrestle a action man ....
I take everything back, id strike as well, i thought it was something really bad like reducing there paid holidays to 10 weeks instead of 14 🙂

 

[jonnyc]

Unless I have been misinformed , teachers are only paid the hours that they officially do at school plus statuary holiday and bank entitlement related to how many hours worked .
its just that the pay they receive is split up over even twelve months .
so they get no more paid holiday time than any other employee.
I am an employee of my own company and I get paid a wage every week which covers my holiday entitlement as well.
dividend are separate .
Think there is a conception that all the weeks off in a year are paid , whereas they are not.
when I was self employed it was no different really.
the money in the bank was mine and I could spend it during holidays if I chose to take it.
there is no real difference

 

[widler]

Unless I have been misinformed , teachers are only paid the hours that they officially do at school plus statuary holiday and bank entitlement related to how many hours worked .
its just that the pay they receive is split up over even twelve months .
so they get no more paid holiday time than any other employee.
I am an employee of my own company and I get paid a wage every week which covers my holiday entitlement as well.
dividend are separate .
Think there is a conception that all the weeks off in a year are paid , whereas they are not.
when I was self employed it was no different really.
the money in the bank was mine and I could spend it during holidays if I chose to take it.
there is no real difference

Nope no real difference at all jonny ,none at all, employed is the same as self employed .
Im off pub now to spend me wage !

 

[jonnyc]

Not sure whether you're agreeing with me or not!
have a good beer anyway.
even though I am employed I will still be working late today,looking at jobs in
evenings ,worrying when I will get paid to cover my employees wages every week-so I guess there are really two types of employee.the type like me who really have a life like the self employed and then my employees who just have to go to work and get the benefits of an employee.
I still think that £7.50 an hour is an insult for a trained and qualified teaching assistant.
will leave it at that.

 

[widler]

Not sure whether you're agreeing with me or not!
have a good beer anyway.
even though I am employed I will still be working late today,looking at jobs in
evenings ,worrying when I will get paid to cover my employees wages every week-so I guess there are really two types of employee.the type like me who really have a life like the self employed and then my employees who just have to go to work and get the benefits of an employee.
I still think that £7.50 an hour is an insult for a trained and qualified teaching assistant.
will leave it at that.

Ha ha no jonny im not agreeing,but im not bothered either way mate.
Seriously mate ive had a rubbish week, been krendering , had 2 wash offs, been soaked to the skin, cost me hundreds in wasted gear and still have to pay 3 employees for the week even though we should of finished at the latest Wednesday,so i can tile a showroom near me which should of been finished by today and the lads start plastering a house which should of been started last week, my phone has been red hot with folk having a go , i aint hardly slept all week,not with worry just very cheesed off, and to top it off the rendering job for joe public said when i invoiced him " i will pop it in the post next week" i live around the corner from the chap
super duper week mate 🙂

 

[jonnyc]

Sounds like a tough week.in your situation I get a few more down me neck .you might have a humdinger of a hangover but wtfwevr all had those and survived.get plastered!!!!

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

Ha ha no jonny im not agreeing,but im not bothered either way mate.
Seriously mate ive had a rubbish week, been krendering , had 2 wash offs, been soaked to the skin, cost me hundreds in wasted gear and still have to pay 3 employees for the week even though we should of finished at the latest Wednesday,so i can tile a showroom near me which should of been finished by today and the lads start plastering a house which should of been started last week, my phone has been red hot with folk having a go , i aint hardly slept all week,not with worry just very cheesed off, and to top it off the rendering job for joe public said when i invoiced him " i will pop it in the post next week" i live around the corner from the chap
super duper week mate 🙂

Sorry to hear this mate ,that sound like a real bad week, some people just don't realise how bad self-employment can be at time's,they think its a complete Blast all the time......hope it gets better for you next week......

 

[widler]

Cheers chaps, times like these i wanna be a teacher 😉
But thanks again, its not all doom and gloom ive got home from pub and the wife had made my tea 🙂 trust me that don't happen often !