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Same stereotypical view of a supporter cam , you have you views the majority have theres .
Not sure if it's over pencils or rubber bands this time!!
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Cam, are they striking cos they have to work in crap conditions, sometimes in snow in rain or in council houses full off dirt, muck dog/cat poo, mites, fleas.
Or is it because they have to heft tons of materials about a week, ruining there body joints , or knelling down in wet/damp conditions.
Or do they sometimes have to wait weeks and weeks for money, even thousands which have paid out there own pocket for lads or materials
,do they have to have 4 months off work, no pay no money from anywhere through illness, or when the flu strikes do they go to work cos they god dam have too.
Jeez bud need i go on.
Look they work hard, no doubt, they have to put up with unruly kids,no doubt, they have to put thee hands in there pockets when times are hard , its a hard life, its a rubbish life,they chose it though,same as most of us who have chosen to do a job which includes years of training .
They aint winning any fans, but do they give a poo, no.
Oh and just outa curiosity, what are they striking for
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they are striking because of Michael Gove's proposals.
1. he wants to introduce performance related pay - this has been going on in the private sector for decades so it's not an unusual practice. I think Michael Gove needs to be clear about how it works and how it will be introduced. If he can't be clear, nobody will want the change, regardless of whether they work in the private sector or the public sector. Nobody likes change that on the face of it looks to be like a detriment.
2. he wants to change the approach to pensions by asking people to work longer and contribute more - everybody is going to have to work longer and contribute more, otherwise you won't get any kind of pension when you retire. The reason for this is many people took early retirement from pensions (public and private) that paid substantially more than the average salary and so when there's more people taking out than putting in, there's going to be less money for the future. You can only blame the people who created the pension schemes in the first place, with the very generous outputs after retirement. But remember, when pension schemes were first put in place in the 40's and 50's life expectancy was incredibly short, so if you made it to retirement, living more than 5-6 years beyond retirement was unheard of. So what has actually gone wrong here is that pension schemes have not kept pace with changes to health and life expectancy and now all workers are paying the price. And don't forget, there's less children being born and therefore less working people to put into your pension fund.
3. increasing workloads - well, I have no idea how Michael Gove expects to increase a teachers workload but again, this has been going on in the private sector for years. Bosses want to see efficiencies and less wastage, and better outputs to make more profit. I personally don't think we need better educated kids, nor do we need 50% of all school leavers to go to university. There are still jobs out there in the UK that require qualifications less than a degree and I do not believe that a degree is the be-all and end-all. There is still much more manufacturing in the UK than the government cares to realise and you certainly don't need a degree to run an electrical installation in a factory for example.
1. he wants to introduce performance related pay - this has been going on in the private sector for decades so it's not an unusual practice. I think Michael Gove needs to be clear about how it works and how it will be introduced. If he can't be clear, nobody will want the change, regardless of whether they work in the private sector or the public sector. Nobody likes change that on the face of it looks to be like a detriment.
2. he wants to change the approach to pensions by asking people to work longer and contribute more - everybody is going to have to work longer and contribute more, otherwise you won't get any kind of pension when you retire. The reason for this is many people took early retirement from pensions (public and private) that paid substantially more than the average salary and so when there's more people taking out than putting in, there's going to be less money for the future. You can only blame the people who created the pension schemes in the first place, with the very generous outputs after retirement. But remember, when pension schemes were first put in place in the 40's and 50's life expectancy was incredibly short, so if you made it to retirement, living more than 5-6 years beyond retirement was unheard of. So what has actually gone wrong here is that pension schemes have not kept pace with changes to health and life expectancy and now all workers are paying the price. And don't forget, there's less children being born and therefore less working people to put into your pension fund.
3. increasing workloads - well, I have no idea how Michael Gove expects to increase a teachers workload but again, this has been going on in the private sector for years. Bosses want to see efficiencies and less wastage, and better outputs to make more profit. I personally don't think we need better educated kids, nor do we need 50% of all school leavers to go to university. There are still jobs out there in the UK that require qualifications less than a degree and I do not believe that a degree is the be-all and end-all. There is still much more manufacturing in the UK than the government cares to realise and you certainly don't need a degree to run an electrical installation in a factory for example.
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jonnyc
Unless I have been misinformed , teachers are only paid the hours that they officially do at school plus statuary holiday and bank entitlement related to how many hours worked .
its just that the pay they receive is split up over even twelve months .
so they get no more paid holiday time than any other employee.
I am an employee of my own company and I get paid a wage every week which covers my holiday entitlement as well.
dividend are separate .
Think there is a conception that all the weeks off in a year are paid , whereas they are not.
when I was self employed it was no different really.
the money in the bank was mine and I could spend it during holidays if I chose to take it.
there is no real difference
its just that the pay they receive is split up over even twelve months .
so they get no more paid holiday time than any other employee.
I am an employee of my own company and I get paid a wage every week which covers my holiday entitlement as well.
dividend are separate .
Think there is a conception that all the weeks off in a year are paid , whereas they are not.
when I was self employed it was no different really.
the money in the bank was mine and I could spend it during holidays if I chose to take it.
there is no real difference
Nope no real difference at all jonny ,none at all, employed is the same as self employed .
Im off pub now to spend me wage !
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jonnyc
Not sure whether you're agreeing with me or not!
have a good beer anyway.
even though I am employed I will still be working late today,looking at jobs in
evenings ,worrying when I will get paid to cover my employees wages every week-so I guess there are really two types of employee.the type like me who really have a life like the self employed and then my employees who just have to go to work and get the benefits of an employee.
I still think that £7.50 an hour is an insult for a trained and qualified teaching assistant.
will leave it at that.
have a good beer anyway.
even though I am employed I will still be working late today,looking at jobs in
evenings ,worrying when I will get paid to cover my employees wages every week-so I guess there are really two types of employee.the type like me who really have a life like the self employed and then my employees who just have to go to work and get the benefits of an employee.
I still think that £7.50 an hour is an insult for a trained and qualified teaching assistant.
will leave it at that.
Ha ha no jonny im not agreeing,but im not bothered either way mate.
Seriously mate ive had a rubbish week, been krendering , had 2 wash offs, been soaked to the skin, cost me hundreds in wasted gear and still have to pay 3 employees for the week even though we should of finished at the latest Wednesday,so i can tile a showroom near me which should of been finished by today and the lads start plastering a house which should of been started last week, my phone has been red hot with folk having a go , i aint hardly slept all week,not with worry just very cheesed off, and to top it off the rendering job for joe public said when i invoiced him " i will pop it in the post next week" i live around the corner from the chap
super duper week mate
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Diamond Pool Finishers
Sorry to hear this mate ,that sound like a real bad week, some people just don't realise how bad self-employment can be at time's,they think its a complete Blast all the time......hope it gets better for you next week......Ha ha no jonny im not agreeing,but im not bothered either way mate.
Seriously mate ive had a rubbish week, been krendering , had 2 wash offs, been soaked to the skin, cost me hundreds in wasted gear and still have to pay 3 employees for the week even though we should of finished at the latest Wednesday,so i can tile a showroom near me which should of been finished by today and the lads start plastering a house which should of been started last week, my phone has been red hot with folk having a go , i aint hardly slept all week,not with worry just very cheesed off, and to top it off the rendering job for joe public said when i invoiced him " i will pop it in the post next week" i live around the corner from the chap
super duper week mate
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