mike,this bloke was a teacher in joinery at the local uni,the house was a tip,the joinery was awful,the kitchen was a right mess ,you could not see anything from worktop,hob or sink,just piled up with washing up,i tried to take a photo,but my phone turned off it was that disgustedthat reminds me of a kitchen i was tiling a while back, the back yard was a minefield of dog mess where i wanted to cut, the customer was away on holiday but had some 8 by 4 sheets of ply in the back so i just dropped them over the mess to cover it and make it safe.