Ditra verses Durabase CI matting

[David - Tradetiler]

Hi Guys

What are your opinions regarding the usability between Ditra and Durabase matting? I do like the mesh on the top of the Durabase, seems to bind onto the adhesive better but have heard Durabase can be a bit more curly when initially laying it out flat?

Also, was anyone effected by that problem where quite a few Ditra installations suffered the fleece layer de-bonded from the matting, I heard it was quite a nightmare?

 

[DHTiling]

Never heard of Ditra splitting bond but the old Dural CI did.

As for laying , Ditra is like wallpapering but CI++ can be a mare once you get towards centre of the roll.

 

[bugs183]

Hiya Dave. We've been using Ditra for years, even when it was fluted.
Never had a problem with a floor, and as Dave says i've never heard of it splitting. I've used dural a few times and i can't explian why but i just don't trust it, so i only use Ditra now.

 

[Spud]

you have got that round the wrong way Dave TT, it wasnt ditra that suffered the problems it was the old durabase and the other mats produced in the same factory that failed and yes it is a nightmare and many people are still suffering it

 

[John Benton]

Only ever used Ditra and never had a problem with it, not heard of anyone else having any probs either

 

[mattle40]

I'm in johns camp, would only ever use ditra. I know it works and trust it.

 

[Rookery]

I think Genesis was the other one that failed. Durabase is ok and a lot less money than Ditra.

 

[nybor62]

i quite likethem both had no probs with either,

 

[Time's Ran Out]

You must only sell 1 type of decoupler - I wonder which?

 

[bugs183]

I think Genesis was the other one that failed. Durabase is ok and a lot less money than Ditra.

If you shop around you can get Ditra at a competitive price against Dural.

 

[Rizzle from the Portizzle]

well ditra had its problems in the early days but seems to have come through .there are a few decouplers still being tested by you and having problems while they learn dont pay for that yourselfs i would say dont use a decoupler untill it has been used in the market place at least three years dont be a test dummy if you have another proven choice

 

[m3fitter]

Ditra all the way.. well known and trusted and can buy @ £5.20 a metre inclusive for a roll delivered.. 🙂 durabase is rolled the other way and curls up at the ends :-( boooo

 

[White Room]

Ditra all the way.. well known and trusted and can buy @ £5.20 a metre inclusive for a roll delivered.. 🙂 durabase is rolled the other way and curls up at the ends :-( boooo

Where do get that at that price, PM me if needs must.

 

[DHTiling]

I wish Schluter would allow independents to stock Ditra , rather than pushing them to bigger retailers who charge what the retail can even buy at.. the whole point of dealing direct with schluter is too get at a good price and then make a profit selling it.. not buying it at trade price and then not being able to compete with others on the selling price..

 

[David - Tradetiler]

Thanks guys,

OK have done a bit of research.

Seems like all the main brands - Ditra, Durabase, G-Mat etc had issues with the fleece de-bonding some time ago. This was the reason Dural completely redesigned Durabase matting (new cloverleaf design) about 2 1/2 years ago. To my knowlage Durabase has not had any problems since. I don't know what they did to Ditra to resolve it as their design looks the same to me but appears there are no problems with it now.

 

[DHTiling]

Dave... Ditra did not have any probs... where are you getting your info from ..?

Dura CI ... Genesis G-mat and Blanke mat had probs but IMO Schluters Ditra did not.. so unless you have info otherwise it would be good to know who said so..?

 

[David - Tradetiler]

Just double checked and it was not the same problem - I have been told It Involved product made by the a plastics company (Interplast Kunststoffe GmbH) that made the old Durabase, G-Mat,Porcelanosa and Trimline Mat. As far as I know Ditra has be made in house by Schlüter for a long time so was not effected by that problem. I spoke to someone who mended most of those and also some Ditra floors. So if there is ever a problem with any matting (of any make) don't rip it up before checking if it can be repaired in situ

 

[Pebbs]

I have never ever had a problem with Ditra matting, its a superb product, and to my knowledge has never failed on any main large contracts.

Pebbs

 

[Spud]

Thanks guys,

OK have done a bit of research.

Seems like all the main brands - Ditra, Durabase, G-Mat etc had issues with the fleece de-bonding some time ago. This was the reason Dural completely redesigned Durabase matting (new cloverleaf design) about 2 1/2 years ago. To my knowlage Durabase has not had any problems since. I don't know what they did to Ditra to resolve it as their design looks the same to me but appears there are no problems with it now.

once bitten twice shy Dave

 

[Protilers]

Dave (tradetiler)......hello mate........

It cannot be repaired in situ.......they do what they call an "epoxy repair" and inject it into the substrate......but what they have not told you is that "REPAIR".....
REMOVES the decoupling effect from the matting!!!!!............making it a completly pointless excersise........I am happy to be corrected.....
but I am pretty well informed on the matter from various tilers who have had to deal with this situation.......and I feel really sorry for one and all!
the ONLY decoupler that has not suffered this problem is Schulter......to my knowledge......

all the best

Lee

 

[CJ]

So wots the outcome?

never used Ditra myself.......but used durabase a few times, and never had a problem.

Trying to persuade a customer at the mo, and durabase is much cheaper on-line.

 

[Gazzer]

The new Durabase is good, I think the Ditra rolls out better but I tend to stick Durabase down and place a bag of adhesive either end. Or you can cut the matting to length then roll it up but backward if you get what i mean, then when you lay it it wont tend to curl up at the ends.

 

[J Sid]

I did a job for a company in south Essex using dura when about 180m2 failed. Must say they did pay for it to be all redone, matting and tiles. Saying that never use it again, only detra since then. If you shop around you can get it at a great price, i use CTD. I am happy to pay more, detra is so easy to use.

 

[Protilers]

I have never used Dural...but I have used the Decomat.........no failures so far!....but I might me lucky on that last one?

that said I have just installed this last Sunday:







I have always supplied Ditra on our jobs and it is my decoupler of choice!

all the best

Lee

 

[Sean SML Tiling]

Has anyone had a failure where the supplier says its down to bad fixing?

 

[Dougs Third Go]

I had a failure with dural, granted they remedied it, but I lost faith in the product so I only use ditra now.

 

[Sean SML Tiling]

What caused the failure doug?

 

[Dougs Third Go]

What caused the failure doug?

the fleece (underside) and top plastic layer, delaminated from each other.

 

[Kia tiling]

Ditra all the way.. well known and trusted and can buy @ £5.20 a metre inclusive for a roll delivered.. 🙂 durabase is rolled the other way and curls up at the ends :-( boooo

Would like to know that supplier please?

 

[Lee@emctiles]

Again, like to point out, since the redesign of CI++ dural matting, and its coming upto 3 years now (correct me if im wrong) but not had 1 problem.

 

[David - Tradetiler]

Again, like to point out, since the redesign of CI++ dural matting, and its coming upto 3 years now (correct me if im wrong) but not had 1 problem.

The new Dural Durabase CI++ (clover leaf design) is a totally new product made by a different manufacturer