dot and dab and the tile association

[Spud]

I thought I better clear this up and get the info straight from the horses mouth so to speak
I called Don Slade today and had a chat about what the builder had told me and to be fair to Don he did a very thorough and fair report with the information he was given,he is extremely knowledgeable and does not think Dot and dab is an acceptable method of fixing and does not endorse its use ,basically the floors in question the substrates were not suitable for tiling and were in places 20-28mm out of level and the tiler was told just to tile them, the tiler had infact spread adhesive onto the screed and then tried to build the height up by dotting on top of this using multiple spots of adhesive hoping that these would spread to give 100% coverage( again Don did not endorse this method of fixing but understood why the tiler atempted to do this way) it wasnt until the last day of the court case that photos were produced showing 50% coverage, it was at that time he was asked if 50% coverage was okay and he replied if no other stresses were involved 50% coverage may be sufficient to keep the tile bonded and he had witnessed many jobs that were done like this in domestic situations which did not fail but if other stresses were involved then this may not be enough ,
To the tilers defence the under floor heating was on when he was working and one day he could not even kneel down it was so hot but he didnt refuse to tile the job which is what we would all have done in the same circumstances so it isnt a defence really ,
from our telephone conversation I gathered Don acted as a totally independant witness and just answered questions on what he found and on the information given and I found him very knowledgeable and fair to both sides , the judgement in this case may take several weeks so it is better left alone until after the judge decides what the outcome is
And what I will say the builder didnt fully explain to me all the facts

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Thanks for the update Gary.

 

[Rich]

Thanks for sharing this with us Gary. Can you keep us posted

 

[nybor62]

thanks gary keep us informed, im sure we could all harp on about what we would have done with a floor so out of level ,but no point i suppose wait untill the outcome

 

[Gazzer]

Quite a relief actually I think.

 

[DHTiling]

It is a relief and just goes to show how only hearing one side of a story can be bad for one party.. So thanks for the update Gary...

 

[The D]

So what I am taking from this is it is another one of them jobs we all get where the builder has done a sh it job of the floor and wanted the tiler to get over it. The tiler got over it by using more adhesive than is recommended and a fixing method that is not recommended. Then when it hit the fan the builder tried to blame the tiler for getting over his shoddy work. Personally I hope the builder gets his pants pulled down

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

I think you got it in one Dean.:mad2:

 

[DHTiling]

So what I am taking from this is it is another one of them jobs we all get where the builder has done a sh it job of the floor and wanted the tiler to get over it. The tiler got over it by using more adhesive than is recommended and a fixing method that is not recommended. Then when it hit the fan the builder tried to blame the tiler for getting over his shoddy work. Personally I hope the builder gets his pants pulled down

Too right, and i hope they are full of rubbish..to the brim... deffo passed the buck big time.

 

[Spud]

There is more to it than what you think, the tiler is a serial dot and dabber and has the nick name Mr. blobby form the local tile shops, he is greek and gets some lovely work from the greek community in north london but has fallen out of favour with alot of people because so many of his jobs have failed and a lot of the high end tile shops warn customers against using him,
The case in question was part of 3 floors this guy has had failed for the same builder which is why the builder went after him through the courts so the tiler is a liability and his arguement in court is that his fixing method isnt what caused the failure,the expert witness doesnt know any of this and just gave evidience on the information he was provided and was put on the spot on the final day of the proceeding with the 50% coverage pictures

 

[hillhead]

Courts are a funny old place at times, the whole story is often not allowed to be told to jury's etc !!
It'll be good to see the outcome of this, keep up the good work Gary.

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Thanks Gary, I do agree about Mr Blobby and his methods. But as we agreed on the phone, if these builders would use decent screeders or let the tiler do the screeding, we would just use a solid bed trowel, back skim the tile and fix once. We could get some serious m2 down.

I am sick of following bad screeders, one job I did not long ago, I struggled getting the floor flat/lip free, when I asked the client why he had not asked me to price for the screeding? he replied " I didn't know you could screed".:mad2:

 

[jay]

If the tiler tiled on to a shoddy floor it becomes his problem (should i duck now)

 

[Dan]

Thanks for the update! Interesting reading!

It proves you should walk off jobs if they're not right, and not just think of the cash.

 

[Stewart]

Have to agree Dan. Every time a tiler agree's to make good and get on with it, he's leaving himself wide open in the blame culture we now live in and saying you need to pay the mortgage no longer cuts it in my opinion!


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