Dot & Dab Quandry

[hillhead]

This is just another case of builders and other tradesmen thinking they know all about the tiling trade and landing people in it,it happens all over unfortunately.

 

[Aztectiler]

:mad2: :yikes::mad2::yikes::mad2::yikes::mad2::yikes::mad2::yikes:Wow I really can't believe that this still goes on.
Makes you wonder how often it really happens cos we don't get to hear of them all.

At some stage building regs will be upon us and I for one would welcome it if it cleans up our business.

 

[artfuldodger]

I've just taken a picture of the cut tile that I pulled away..using a crayon ive marked the adhesive to wall contact points in red. Would that have held it in place in a steamy bathroom?

The second picture is of the gap from the wall that all the tiles have...a little excessive to account for the walls being out. You'll note that the adhesive is nowhere to be seen.

To clarify...I get the tiles off, prime with a suitable primer and do the job myself? Primer suggestions for bare and painted plasterboard please.

+ Could somebody please explain tanking?

 

[Aztectiler]

Bal bond as a primer for me.

Also tanking as follows:
Wetrooms and wet shower areas are becoming more and more popular. Wetroom waterproofing, or "tanking", fully seals the wetroom area prior to tiling. This contains any water that seeps between tiles, allowing it to drain down towards the wetroom floor drain. Wetrooms are normally thought of as shower areas, but many bathrooms, kitchens or toilet areas can also be treated in the same way. Installation of a wetroom drain at the lowest point, together with wetroom tanking, provides a continuous seal from walls and floor to the drain. This being a very attractive proposition for any wet area.

 

[artfuldodger]

Thanks everyone... I will post the outcome when I finally get it resolved. Just to clarify we hadnt fully finsihed the room and it hadnt been in use so the kids are safe and sound.. :hurray::hurray: + thanks again for the technical help, Time for a beer me thinks :8:

 

[graham31]

Thanks everyone... I will post the outcome when I finally get it resolved. Just to clarify we hadnt fully finsihed the room and it hadnt been in use so the kids are safe and sound.. :hurray::hurray: + thanks again for the technical help, Time for a beer me thinks :8:

Well deserved one i'd say.

Just follow the advice you've been givin and you'll be fine

 

[mikethetile]

dot and dab is a common method used by non tilers as it saves on addy and is easier to adjust when fixing

adhesive manufacturers reccomend min 70% coverage but most tilers work on 90% min

porcelain are dense and therefore heavier than biscuit and need a good purchase to the substrate

another advantage of 90% coverage is when you press the tile in you push the air out creating suction holding the tile where you placed it

youve been given sound advice on here

with care you will be able to remove all the tiles and clean them ready for reuse

score through the painted surfaces and then prime, dont just prime as the primer wont penetrate the paint and the paint may seperate from the wall dropping your tiles

good luck mate

its difficult when mates or family help out as you dont want to fall out with them but you really cant leave this and the sooner they are off the softer the addy

mike

ps i gave up smoking last week after 40 yrs , i can reccomend as ive got a new lease of life................still climbing the walls though

 

[doug boardley]

dot and dab is a common method used by non tilers as it saves on addy and is easier to adjust when fixing

adhesive manufacturers reccomend min 70% coverage but most tilers work on 90% min

porcelain are dense and therefore heavier than biscuit and need a good purchase to the substrate

another advantage of 90% coverage is when you press the tile in you push the air out creating suction holding the tile where you placed it

youve been given sound advice on here

with care you will be able to remove all the tiles and clean them ready for reuse

score through the painted surfaces and then prime, dont just prime as the primer wont penetrate the paint and the paint may seperate from the wall dropping your tiles

good luck mate

its difficult when mates or family help out as you dont want to fall out with them but you really cant leave this and the sooner they are off the softer the addy

mike

ps i gave up smoking last week after 40 yrs , i can reccomend as ive got a new lease of life................still climbing the walls though

stick with it Mike, I gave up 2 1/2 months ago, don't even think about it now!

 

[tile55]

Great advice Mikethetile, couldn't have put it better myself
Have one on me!:8:

 

[lawrenso]

Deja Vu - except mine was a "Tiler" - supposedly!!!

I am having my tiles ripped out due to dodgy fixing (and also cr@p quality) :mad2:

Good luck with it

Steve

 

[Brian.Evans]

Sounds dodgy m8 I would get them off the walls better safe han sorry!

 

[bigandy]

sorry to say you need to rip them off. but if they are coming off that easy you should be able save most of them and keep the costs down. re the painted wall i wold strongly suggest getting all the paint off. i use a 4"razor scraper, as i find this the fastest method.just make sure you prime and use a good quality flexible powdered addy(using a notched trowel of course).

 

[Rav daniels]

sorry to hear about your situation, hope it goes well, p.s. dont forget to seal the tiles befofe grouting,with them being polished porcelain,

 

[faceman]

I'm sad to say that I spent 2 days last week retiling a bathroom that echos similar circumstances to your own. They were the same tiles and were fixed with cement based adhesive, dot and dab on to emulsioned walls. The whole wall of tiles had dropped 3mm opening up a grout line basically resting on the bath held together by grout. They also failed in the shower where it wasn't painted. I re-prepped the walls by stripping all the paint left on the walls (the rest was on the tiles i removed), I then keyed the walls a lot to rough them up and then primed with SBR primer. I fixed them to the wall with a 10mm trowel then by spreading the wall and then the tile. I am pretty confident this will be enough. I cannot stress the importance of fixing porcelain solidly to walls, it is ridiculously heavy and possibly dangerous. Good luck